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Starmer on Marr now

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Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 09:47

We must have a tolerent debate.... Trans community are the most marginalised community of all

....and 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

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MidsomerMurmurs · 26/09/2021 10:28

Your vote is dependent on someone's opinion on Trans issues?

You'll never agree with any leader on everything. Democracy is hold your nose and vote or stay at home and don't bother

We’re talking about women’s rights. It’s a fairly basic starting point isn’t it. I certainly will not hold my nose and vote for any party who refuses to acknowledge women’s rights.

Whatdidijusthear · 26/09/2021 10:26

Or even Women Have A Cervix Keir…..see I’m so cross I messed up my own slogan!

AnyOldPrion · 26/09/2021 10:26

Can someone please explain to me how the ‘Trans community are the most marginalised community of all.’

From where I stand this ‘community’ has the ear of and funding from governments, political parties, major institutions, schools, big businesses, charities, the police, healthcare, big tech - social media. Laws are in the process and have been changed, mainly at the detriment of other groups. That doesn’t exactly sound marginalised to me.

Oddly enough, I could see that these two apparently opposing statements might both contain some truth. The extremist activists who are pushing for men to have women’s rights, and access to all women’s spaces, on demand, without gatekeeping, do indeed appear to have a great deal of éminence grise type power. They are using it to push for the rights they want, which may not remotely be rights that will benefit the majority of people who are transitioning.

And indeed, because they are turning “trans rights” into a massively contentious issue, which tramples over the rights of others, they are indeed building resentment against the wider trans community.

It’s arguable that a large percentage of the reported rise in “hate incidents” are both part and parcel of, and being created by, their push for “rights” that the vast majority of the population can see are not rights at all. Ironically, they are likely a driver of the marginalisation of transitioning people.

Thingybob · 26/09/2021 10:25

Just discussed this with a reasonably intelligent married man, educated to degree level and works at a professional level. His response was "what's a cervix? If he doesn't know how are we supposed to educate children without using the word woman?

Franca123 · 26/09/2021 10:25

I just find it endlessly fascinating watching their seemingly intelligent, functioning people go along with the nonsense. What is going on I their minds?!

Whatdidijusthear · 26/09/2021 10:25

Lurked for years but just joined after watching KS on Marr.

I have decided to respond to every Labour supporting communication with one word - WHACK

Women Have Cervixes Keir.

OvaHere · 26/09/2021 10:23

Why did Marr go so easy on Starmer compared to Davey last week?

Has someone higher up had a word with him after last week or is it his personal bias creeping in (e.g. he doesn't like Davey as much)?

He should have pushed him on why it cannot be said just as he did with Davey and adult human female.

SusannaM · 26/09/2021 10:19

You'll never agree with any leader on everything. Democracy is hold your nose and vote or stay at home and don't bother.

The problem is some issues are a line in the sand and are beyond holding your nose over. I can compromise with the best of them, but women's rights are too important to me.

Artichokeleaves · 26/09/2021 10:18

Never speak about biological reality, people’s feelings are far more important.

Not women's feelings though. While at the same time, don't mention sex existing.

He's out of his mind. Most people not soaked in all this and the politics of it will hear 'you shouldn't say only women have a cervix' and think - but that's a fact , that's ridiculous!

This will be what finally buries Labour.

OvaHere · 26/09/2021 10:17

I don’t believe for one second that the majority of transpeople agree with what is being demanded/done in their name.

Sorry but I just don't think this is the case. I know it's a nice idea to think that but the history of lobbying by trans orgs going back many decades suggests otherwise.

User135644 · 26/09/2021 10:17

@ThatSunnyCorner

Labour has always traditionally done well with younger voter. Younger women, on the whole are more likely to be TRA. Like all political parties running up to an election they are only interested in votes. Labour is a lost cause on this issue.

This. I don't think he's believes what he is saying for a single second, but Labour's only hope is the vote of young people. He's trying to appeal to them. Whilst throwing women under the bus. Clearly we are expendable collateral damage and that'll be yet another spoiled ballot from me.

The Boomers won't vote for Labour so they just try and appeal to the millenials and gen-z. It won't win them an election though.
littlbrowndog · 26/09/2021 10:17

It’s not trans issues

It’s women’s rights

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TooWicked · 26/09/2021 10:16

I truly am politically homeless.

If Shahrar Ali isn’t voted in as leader of the Greens, my next ballot paper will be stickered until there’s no paper showing.

User135644 · 26/09/2021 10:15

@NorthernNic

That's the final straw. Despite my reservations I voted Labour at the last GE but not now. For future elections what are writing on soiled ballots? Only Women Have A Cervix??
Your vote is dependent on someone's opinion on Trans issues?

You'll never agree with any leader on everything. Democracy is hold your nose and vote or stay at home and don't bother.

ElizabethTudor · 26/09/2021 10:14

@ThatSunnyCorner

Labour has always traditionally done well with younger voter. Younger women, on the whole are more likely to be TRA. Like all political parties running up to an election they are only interested in votes. Labour is a lost cause on this issue.

This. I don't think he's believes what he is saying for a single second, but Labour's only hope is the vote of young people. He's trying to appeal to them. Whilst throwing women under the bus. Clearly we are expendable collateral damage and that'll be yet another spoiled ballot from me.

That’s me politically homeless then. What a fucking mess.
Beamur · 26/09/2021 10:14

He really is disappointing on this issue but unsurprisingly so.
That's a shame.

Whatthechicken · 26/09/2021 10:13

I am really bloody angry, my five year old daughter was sat with me when those words came out of his mouth. How fucking dare he. Never speak about biological reality, people’s feelings are far more important. Safeguarding being dismantled piece by piece. It’s not hateful to speak about biological reality, it’s crucial that we are able to.

Mollyollydolly · 26/09/2021 10:12

just waiting for him to post on twitter so a thousand women can post 'only women have a cervix' in the replies. Feck 'em.

Fitt · 26/09/2021 10:11

@Melroses

Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

That's throwing Rosie Duffield to the wolves then. Hmm

Exactly, he's just massively ramped up the abuse, he's given his approval to it.

He seems completely clueless.

SusannaM · 26/09/2021 10:11

But from that point of view women then can't be referred to as "cervix-havers"?

AnyOldPrion · 26/09/2021 10:10

Just seen a clip on Twitter.

Not only did he say Rosie Duffield shouldn’t have said what she said, but also said (with no proof or offers of changes that would protect her) she’s perfectly safe at the Labour Party Conference.

Presumably he’s saying that in the safe knowledge that she won’t go, so it will never be put to the test. Disgustingly arrogant to publically dismiss a woman’s genuine concerns over her safety in the face of intense bullying and threats.

Franklin12 · 26/09/2021 10:10

WhoNeeds. My two best line managers were from the North. Called a spade a spade. Never rude and certainly didn’t see the need to call people scum and sorry - wear her ‘single mother at 16’ as a badge of honour.

Jaysmith71 · 26/09/2021 10:10

OK, he's a lawyer. His job is to state his client's case, and to do so as if it were true.

The most charitable explanation is that he doesn't believe this shit but feels obliged to advocate it.

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Fitt · 26/09/2021 10:10

Labour can have their rules for things persons can say, it just makes them completely irrelevant though.

BaronessWrongCrowd · 26/09/2021 10:09

Can someone please explain to me how the ‘Trans community are the most marginalised community of all.’

From where I stand this ‘community’ has the ear of and funding from governments, political parties, major institutions, schools, big businesses, charities, the police, healthcare, big tech - social media. Laws are in the process and have been changed, mainly at the detriment of other groups. That doesn’t exactly sound marginalised to me.

I don’t believe for one second that the majority of transpeople agree with what is being demanded/done in their name. Why doesn’t Starmer listen to them? Why do the Labour Party not listen and just repeat false narratives?

Anyway. I will not vote for Labour ever again.
I’m hoping that Shahar Ali wins the leadership election for the Greens because at least I will be able to cast a vote and not spoil it like last time.

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