Starmer on Marr now

So, he's off the fence at last, and stuck the knife into Rosie Duffield at the same time. Because saying that women have a cervix is her crime and KS says that should never be said.

Of course, this one is so easy to refute as well, since we actually have research showing half of all women do not know what a cervix is, and will not understand that they should be checked for cervical cancer if the word women is not used.

("Women and ..." is confusing in this context, because it makes it sound that what you're talking about is not a women's health issue, so the message is lost.)

Rosie Duffield states a biological fact. Keir says "It shouldn't be said. It's not right."

Angela Rayner calls people 'scum'. Keir says "We take different approaches. It's not language I would use." Whether she apologises is "a matter for Angela."

Or perhaps it's only facts that should not be mentioned. Opinions are OK.

Well that hope was short-lived.

I doubt KS believes a word of the twaddle he's spouting. He wants to placate the TRAs and the hard of thinking who've fallen for the "Be Kind" mantras.

What he hasn't learned is no concession, no accommodation will ever be enough other than outright surrender to every single demand, no matter how outrageous.

Thanks, but no thanks, Labour. I'll stay out in the cold with the other thought criminals.

I'm an ex lifelong Labour supporter. At the last election I spoiled my ballot and will continue to do so, I'll never vote Labour again.

They can't realistically expect my vote, I'm only a woman and don't exist.

There were no other ‘good’ options locally. I won’t be lectured on spoiling my ballot (decisively, unambiguously marked up I hasten to add). I was showing the parties that mine is a vote for the taking because, unlike large swathes of the electorate, I turn out to vote. Whether I can bring myself to vote Tory is another matter. I’m watching the Greens’ leadership election with interest.

[quote Svalberg]@Judashascomeintosomemoney Rosie Duffield won Canterbury in 2017 with a majority of 187, and increased it in 2019 to over 1,800[/quote]
….should have added to previous reply…
And the people who live here, who are prepared to defend her, are not the people who vote Labour 🤷‍♀️

Ah brilliant- thank you, will give that a listen!

@Blackandwhitehorse it was Jonathan Haidt, it is interesting.

Ooh @WouldBeGood I’d be really interested to listen to that, quite enjoy Russell’s ramblings. Do you happen to know who the guest was?

@User135644
you'll never agree with any leader on everything. Democracy is hold your nose and vote or stay at home and don't bother.
This one is pretty fundamental. It’s whether one specific half of the population matter so much less than the other half that they don’t count as people and aren’t allowed to be described as what they are or talk about it. It affects the attitude showered on women from birth, it tells them daily to pull their head in as they don’t get safe bathroom spaces, changing spaces, healthcare, fair playing field in sports, as their person is disrespected and their rights disregarded and their boundaries eroded and the laws and bodies that run society don’t care. That’s pretty critical really.

Bloke tells women what they should and shouldn't say.

There’s an interesting podcast by Russell Brand where he discusses how the left no longer represents the working class but has adopted other causes, such as gender ideology, and left their core voters adrift.

[quote Svalberg]@Judashascomeintosomemoney Rosie Duffield won Canterbury in 2017 with a majority of 187, and increased it in 2019 to over 1,800[/quote]
Yes. I know. I live there. And 2019 was before her original tweet ‘crime’. She won’t win again in Canterbury if they need the youth vote from the campus to achieve it (they do).

Does he actually think this will win (or win back) votes?! Bizarre. Maybe they are going for the youth vote and don’t care about the working class vote anymore.

I'm an atheist who took RE O-level. At no point was I sanctioned for my lack of Christian belief. I was (and still am) more of a Science and Maths type, though, and it pains me that so much of the science (and medicine) that I learned throughout school and university is now seen by so much of the establishment as "not a proper belief"

Oh for fucking fucks sake, this is NONSENSE.

This is making women’s bodies unspeakable again. We’re not even done sorting out the inequality across multiple domains caused by the assumption of male as default (see “Invisible Women”), and we’re slamming the door closed on any possible further progress on that by idiotic restrictions on even naming women’s body parts.

Many women* do not have cervices. I am one of them. It’s invariably a horrible, painful story behind each and every one of those missing cervices.

Where is all the handwringing about us? Where is all of the accommodation? Where are all the rewrites of reality to make us feel better?

Only women have cervices. If among those number are people who do not care to be reminded of that, or a number of people who wish they were included, but are not, then that is on them to deal with, the same way that I have to deal with being repeatedly invited for smear tests on my non existent cervix. Reality will not change to accommodate them, and it is unreasonable to ask.

This is a profoundly idiotic stance for a leader of the Labour Party to take. This will not bring them power. Ever.

*by “women” I mean biological female, xx people.

It’s just so depressing

Labour can go f*ck themselves, and I say that as a lifelong Labour voter.
Starmers days are numbered, AR is circling ready for the kill. And one thing is for certain, AR is not going to bring back any voters to Labour.
It’s makes me sad and furious in equal measure. The country needs decent opposition but this party isn’t it.

It’s good that more politicians are being asked these questions

But I think it would be useful to ask ‘can a woman have a penis?’

At least now the general public have heard from two party leaders that the definition of woman is not adult human female.

The next question HAS to be then what the fuck is it?

Can someone please explain to me how the ‘Trans community are the most marginalised community of all.’

Well, whenever they have a meeting, they have to arrange the location in secret, else they get hoards of women banging on the windows shouting. And then you get delegates at the Labour party conference demanding to know why on earth misogynistic hate groups were allowed to have a meeting.

No, hang on, that's not right.