Starmer on Marr now

Yes. I know. I live there. And 2019 was before her original tweet ‘crime’. She won’t win again in Canterbury if they need the youth vote from the campus to achieve it (they do).

How far is he going to go to win again in Canterbury?

If it's not just women who have a cervix, can a woman have a penis? Is he going to tell girls to just not look or complain when a woman with a penis exposes themselves to them in public changing rooms? Where's his line?

He knows the debate and where it's heading. Canterbury must mean the world to him. It's certainly more important than the safety of women and girls.

Any thread where people are bemoaning why people still keep voting Tory, should be directed here.

Brexit, the economy, the NHS all pale in comparison to our ability to define ourselves as women, based on biological sex. It’s fundamental to everything else I expect a government to deliver.

We need more MPs to do this

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After saying 'only women have a cervix' is unacceptable the next question was about Angela Raynor repeatedly calling the current government:

"scum, homophobic, racist, misogynistic, absolute pile of banana republic, etonian, piece of scum"

Apparently that was fine but 'women have a cervix' is over the line.

I'm in the only constituency that went from Tory to Labour in the last general election: I gave Labour the benefit of the doubt then, but there's no way I can vote for them again when they're coming out with nonsense like this.

"It shouldn't be said"???

Oh, no no no Keir. I'm done. It's time to write to my MP and say exactly why she won't be getting my vote again if this situation doesn't improve. This is anti-science, fact free nonsense and no potential PM should be speaking this way - erasing women with no thought at all and then having the nerve to talk about 'respectful debate'.

Why is this debate only ever flowing the one way? Why is 'we can't say only men have a penis' not dominating and poisoning every political debate? If it was, it would be easier to believe that what's going on has anything at all to do with the trans experience. And as pp said, it's hard to believe trans women could really be convinced of any of this either, or the good it does their cause.

To me, KS is another male who finds it very easy to disrespect women and girls. We obviously look a lot less important to him than other males. At least he has shown everyone that. No pretending. He never looked less than useless on other issues either.

Calvin Robinson's summary nails it:

"Marr: "Is it transphobic to say only women have a cervix?"

Starmer: "It is something that shouldn't be said, it is not right.

"I am very concerned that this debate needs to be conducted in a proper way, in which ???????????? ?????????? are expressed."

What's a proper view?!"

twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1442056876380893189

Proper view!!!

So, LD's out. Labour out. Greens in England and Wales depends on whether new head wants to screw over women or not. WEP is beyond satire.

Who is left? Can it really be the Tories? The Tories who are overseeing the placement of males in women's prisons. Who oversee a system where women get locked in prison with males who are therefore given a free opportunity to sexually assault and intimidate them. Who oversee this dystopia for women and girls.

Is it a case where women can be more active at MP level in their constituency? And at Council level.

Mr. Buckethead looking a lot less batsh1t now.

I just despair at this. I just do not understand how we are now at a point where the Leader of the Opposition says it’s not right to say only women have a cervix. I find the mangling of language utterly bizarre and the hypocrisy that means this is all so one way (anyone seen a prostate cancer awareness ad recently?).

She won’t win again in Canterbury if they need the youth vote from the campus to achieve it (they do).

Who will the students vote for though, @Judashascomeintosomemoney? Or will Rosie Duffield be deselected by then and they'll get a shiny new non-heretical, biologically illiterate Labour candidate?

@Theeyeballsinthesky very well put.

Yes. I know. I live there. And 2019 was before her original tweet ‘crime’. She won’t win again in Canterbury if they need the youth vote from the campus to achieve it (they do).

But if it’s that marginal the implication is that they only need a small swing to the Tories to lose the seat, whoever is standing.

The youth vote could lose the seat for Labour by voting e.g. green, but they don’t make the seat safe.

Why are the Labour party so determined to present themselves as completely out of touch with their electorate? Do they forget that it's them who serve the people not the other way round?

Honestly, why is Starmer trying to cling onto this issue? He must be able to see by now that it is a total vote loser!!!

Starmer was asked: Is it transphobic to say that only women have a cervix?

He said: "It shouldn't be said. It's not right."

Then a bit later "This debate needs to be conducted in a proper way in which proper views are expressed in a way that is respectful."

How can we have a proper respectful debate if some facts are unmentionable?

I doubt KS believes a word of the twaddle he's spouting. He wants to placate the TRAs and the hard of thinking who've fallen for the "Be Kind" mantras.

I think he is concerned about losing votes to the Greens, Lib Dem’s and SNP.

Not clear whether he realises the Conservatives have a majority.

You're right. People can do anything they want with their vote, even if it renders it pointless. In return, I wish people would stop gaslighting others that a spoiled vote (outside of a tick with could be interpreted as a vote, which means it was not properly spoiled really) does anything other than give rise to a bit of useless chat.

Those with the most (unspoiled and valid) voted will be the ones gain power to push through any agenda they want. Or, even allow parties like the LD's to push through any agenda they can negotiate in return for being a coalition party.

It isn't the principle that counts (as the LD decided on tuition fees).

Yes. I know. I live there. And 2019 was before her original tweet ‘crime’. She won’t win again in Canterbury if they need the youth vote from the campus to achieve it (they do).

Maybe she'll get the pissed off women vote? Voting for Rosie, if I lived in Canterbury, would probably be the only circumstance I'd consider voting Labour in a future election.

....and 'Only women have a cervix' is, "Something that should not be said."

By anyone? Cervical smears for all then?

Well then, Keir, why don't you bring disciplinary proceedings against Rosie Duffield for her awful transphobia, as all the nasty little misogynists in your party are calling for you to do? Seems logical, no?