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Bristol uni update in the times

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mcduffy · 25/09/2021 06:44

Feminists locked in trans row to sue Bristol student union

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f39c65c2-1d78-11ec-8d6d-67649e90fafa?shareToken=5bbd1241b7ad955c9bea165ce183101f

I'm off to find the page and a shovel. Had a windfall this month and so a larger donation than usual is on the cards! Thinking this is a very important test case for the single sex exemption, please can someone more knowledgeable confirm?

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McDuffy · 30/09/2021 22:24

Almost £27k. Mine was taken today 💸

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ArtemesiaK · 30/09/2021 18:15

Bumping this...

suckingonchillidogs · 29/09/2021 12:16

Bumping this one again thanks to David Lammy today 😡

suckingonchillidogs · 27/09/2021 09:15

Feel like they might need another bump this morning

PaleGreenGhost · 26/09/2021 08:52

Good article.

I like that it doesn't obscure what happened.

Females (legally) organised an event about boundaries, for females. Male bodied people used various means to try to override those women's boundaries. Including their physical presence and "being nice". When that failed, those males used their power to get the student union involved in order to shame, sanction and punish the women.

The power dynamics and tactics here are absolutely nothing new. No wonder TRAs (who are by no means always trans themselves) put such emphasis on policing the language that women use. This is precisely what they don't want people to see.

Datun · 25/09/2021 23:32

Bumping. This is a biggie.

Alekto · 25/09/2021 22:08

Very pleased to see this has grown so much today! Nearly 22.5k now

losenotloose · 25/09/2021 15:52

Just donated.

teawamutu · 25/09/2021 15:31

Me too - up to £20k now.

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 25/09/2021 14:12

Donated and hope it makes a difference.

RhinestoneCowgirl · 25/09/2021 14:02

Thanks for flagging this up. I donated this morning and pleased to see that the total is up to £19k now.

CreepingDeath · 25/09/2021 12:19

I just donated there, glad this is getting sunlight from the Times coverage.

suckingonchillidogs · 25/09/2021 12:04

Their donations are going up quickly this morning!

Alekto · 25/09/2021 10:59

If you used asterisks in or around your swear words that'll be why, ARoombaOfOnesOwn.

Alekto · 25/09/2021 10:57

What kind of man forces himself into a women’s group that doesn’t want men in it.

Well, we all know the answer to that ...

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 25/09/2021 10:41

Argh it got rid of my expletives!

Tell me you don’t care about women without telling me you don’t care about women.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 25/09/2021 10:40

In March it is claimed that two “trans-activists, including a self-identifying transwoman” attended a session organised by the group called “Boundaries and feminism”.

What’s that saying at the moment? Tell me you don’t give a about women without telling me you don’t give a about women.

Datun · 25/09/2021 10:16

Yes, I don't have any legal knowledge, but this looks to me like a case to establish the parameters around what constitutes 'a proportionate means to a legitimate aim'.

And, once again, although the outcome is extremely important, the sunlight is equally crucial.

No-body can read things like this and be any doubt as to the massive control women are being subjected to through this ideology.

They have banned the group from conducting women-only events and have insisted that all members of Women Talk Back undergo “diversity and inclusivity training” that will focus on the importance of allowing men into previously women-only events.

Digging.

DialSquare · 25/09/2021 09:25

Thanks. Also donated.

suckingonchillidogs · 25/09/2021 09:21

Also donated, thanks @mcduffy. Hope they get an influx of donations now!

Lordamighty · 25/09/2021 08:40

Donated, I am beyond annoyed this morning, what with this & The Lancet’s “Bodies with vaginas”.

7H9g5Kj · 25/09/2021 08:36

Donated - thanks for raising awareness

What kind of man forces himself into a women’s group that doesn’t want men in it.

CharlieParley · 25/09/2021 08:33

@zanahoria

I am confused about the single sex exmptions to the the equal rights act

who actually decides whether an aim is legitimate?

or does it always have to go to court?

It is the provider who decides. In this case, the student society. Their case is strong, especially since they make such a clear distinction between activities where single-sex is a necessity because it wouldn't work otherwise (consciousness raising sessions) and public meetings, where it is not.

Once the provider has applied the exception, someone who is against that would have to go to court and sue for unlawful discrimination. But as I said, it is a legitimate aim and a proportionate means to exclude all males from consciousness raising sessions for female people about female experiences, while allowing everyone access to other events.

LizzieSiddal · 25/09/2021 08:25

Gosh my blood is boiling reading their Crowd Funding page. This is such an important case isn’t it, I mean it just goes straight to the heart of this issue, are we allowed to implement the Equality Act?

zanahoria · 25/09/2021 08:21

I am confused about the single sex exmptions to the the equal rights act

who actually decides whether an aim is legitimate?

or does it always have to go to court?

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