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Hate crime at Stirling Uni

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Acatcalledcharlie · 24/09/2021 21:41

Information on women's rights have been left in the toilets at Stirling Uni. A report has been made to police about hate crimes.

[https://brignews.com/2021/09/23/anti-trans-leaflets-reported-as-hate-crime-to-police-scotland-by-student-union/]

This was my Uni, I almost wish to be a student again so I could help with the distribution. If any Stirling Uni students are reading, dm me. I'd love to help.

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McGilead · 25/09/2021 18:46

The name has been in my arsenal for quite some time now.

I’m waiting for the country to reach peakSturgeon. What is happening in our country is a bastard disgrace.

It can’t be long now.

secular111 · 25/09/2021 18:29

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

From the Twitter comments: Women’s rights appear to be a hate crime in McGilead these days.

McGilead. Perfect! I’ll never see Nicola Sturgeon again without thinking of Aunt Lydia.

McGilead.

Sure to be adopted.

It just sums-up Scotland right now to a tee.

KimikosNightmare · 25/09/2021 13:49

@nauticant

I had a look earlier and found this:

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19362788.maya-forstater-wins-landmark-employment-case-gender-critical-beliefs/

Employment law is a reserved issue and applies UK-wide.

However, it's simply a newspaper article by a Political Editor.

Employment Law is a reserved issue. The Nats were furious at Unionist opposition to make it devolved.

There are some minor differences but like company law it's almost entirely derived from Westminster statutes which apply to the UK

www.thenational.scot/news/19353787.anger-unionistss-reject-push-holyrood-take-control-employment-law/

nauticant · 25/09/2021 13:43

Maybe in Scotland courts will be able to find differently on "worthy of respect in a democratic society" because "democratic" will end up meaning something different there.

SpindleWorld · 25/09/2021 13:35

I actually can't find anything definitive that says Forstater doesn't apply to Scotland.

So how will the SNP square this circle with its 'hate crime' overreach??

BeanieSue · 25/09/2021 13:00

www.gov.scot/publications/scottish-governments-equality-duties/

Equality Act seems to apply in Scotland.

Interesting that the part of Scotland Act 1998 quoted here doesn't mention gender.

nauticant · 25/09/2021 12:57

I had a look earlier and found this:

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19362788.maya-forstater-wins-landmark-employment-case-gender-critical-beliefs/

Employment law is a reserved issue and applies UK-wide.

However, it's simply a newspaper article by a Political Editor.

BeanieSue · 25/09/2021 12:55

www.scottishlegal.com/article/louise-usher-forstater-v-cgd-europe-are-gender-critical-beliefs-protected-under-the-equality-act

They don't say here that it doesn't apply in Scotland.

SpindleWorld · 25/09/2021 12:49

I'll have a quick google.

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Acatcalledcharlie · 25/09/2021 12:00

SpindleWorld that is so disappointing. TBH I didn't think it would and with this new hate crime bill there is going to need to be a test case isn't there. Some poor sod is going to have to fight the good fight.

I would help fund that fight. Perhaps we should start gardening now.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 25/09/2021 11:56

Some of those tweets 😆

"Nice try pumpkin"

SpindleWorld · 25/09/2021 11:47

I originally thought Forstater did apply UK-wide, nauticant, but got told No.

nauticant · 25/09/2021 11:32

Why shouldn't the Forstater decision apply in Scotland when the Equality Act 2010 applies in Scotland?

The decision should be binding on other Employment Tribunal cases and I can't see why this shouldn't apply in Scotland.

AlfonsoTheMango · 25/09/2021 11:28

Oh, for heaven's sake. Whoever thinks this is a hate crime needs to grow up.

SpindleWorld · 25/09/2021 11:27

@Acatcalledcharlie

Does anyone know if the Forstater ruling apply in Scotland?
No, unfortunately, I don't think it does.

It will take a Supreme Court ruling (Scottish or UK) around human rights / freedom of belief and expression, I think, to shut down this madness.

FemaleAndLearning · 25/09/2021 11:25

@NotBadConsidering

The editorial decision has been made, after consultation with the Union, to omit direct quotes so as to not further any harm these materials have caused to the student community.

Well that’s convenient isn’t it? So no one can actually read what was written then.

That explains why I couldn't see what the hate was. Very convenient!
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Acatcalledcharlie · 25/09/2021 11:22

Does anyone know if the Forstater ruling apply in Scotland?

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/09/2021 11:20

There's nothing criminal about leaflets, or about stating certain facts and/or beliefs.

Thank you, so it's hyperbole or error for the report to refer to hate leaflets or to place any weight on the fact it's been reported as a hate crime to the Police who've not corrected the complainant.

the Student Union has reported the matter as a hate crime to Police Scotland and approached the University to take action on the matter.

I regret that I had to ask but McGilead is beyond my ready understanding.

ArabellaScott · 25/09/2021 11:12

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

Witticisms aside, things are so odd in Scotland that I have to ask, does the content of that leaflet fall within the remit of a hate crime rather than a non-crime hate incident?
IANAL, but I think that would be a non-criminal hate incident. Because that is all based on the perception of the alleged victim.

There's nothing criminal about leaflets, or about stating certain facts and/or beliefs.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 25/09/2021 07:39

From the Twitter comments: Women’s rights appear to be a hate crime in McGilead these days.

McGilead. Perfect! I’ll never see Nicola Sturgeon again without thinking of Aunt Lydia.

Igneococcus · 25/09/2021 07:23

This is a uni I have work connections with

Same.
Funnily enough for the project we are working on the sex of the specimens are of utmost importance.

NiceGerbil · 25/09/2021 02:26

Ooh this is clever

'Trans and nonbinary people do not represent a threat to women’s rights'

And I wouldn't disagree with that.

It's the changes to law, the widely pushed incorrect laws that have led to loads of places illegally changing things. The massive push to work on a gender is whatever a person says it is and that must be respected.

It's not all individuals with a trans identity, independently threatening our rights.

It's the accumulated efforts of some people and orgs - plenty of whom are not themselves trans or in orgs with trans and non trans people. To change law, interpretation of law, and erode long held strong social norms.
And the threat to us is from males being able to self ID into all our stuff. Increasing risk yes. Also entering competitions, orgs, that were single sex in order to give us opportunities, recognition, a fair playing field etc. Orgs or positions that had an objective of supporting women and girls. Things to do with socialising / meeting potential partners in women only situations. And taking our language which is massive. Oh and giving horrible men a great excuse for abusing women.

Very clever indeed.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 25/09/2021 02:06

Witticisms aside, things are so odd in Scotland that I have to ask, does the content of that leaflet fall within the remit of a hate crime rather than a non-crime hate incident?

lionheart · 24/09/2021 23:38

'The editorial decision has been made, after consultation with the Union, to omit direct quotes so as to not further any harm these materials have caused to the student community.'

Waitwhat23 · 24/09/2021 23:16

Some of the comments on the Twitter feed for the Brig 'newspaper' are absolute gold. I love the use of the Dr Evil meme a few comments down Grin

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