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The Swindon Primary school toilets - parent speaks out.

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Whitefire · 24/09/2021 10:47

Following on from the original thread about the primary school doing a U turn on the gender neutral toilets, a parent of the child at the centre of it has spoken out.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19600460.dad-whose-child-identifies-girl-devastated-school-gender-neutral-toilet-row/

There is the usual car / doll part (it's not about stereotypes but is in absolutely every narrative), but I found this quote interesting:

I can understand parents kicking off if my biological boy is using the girls’ toilets but I thought gender-neutral toilets were a good solution.

So there is an acknowledgment of biological reality, but also then the idea that making the girls use the toilets with lots of boys is better.

The solution has to be a third space, it simply doesn't work otherwise.

OP posts:
Jaysmith71 · 24/09/2021 11:27

Or how about the school make a special exception for this child if they can make the necessary promises to the girls that they will not misbehave, and the girls agree?

AssassinatedBeauty · 24/09/2021 11:23

I wonder how this particular child would have fared if the father hadn't "battle(d) it all for a couple of years because I’m a bit of a geezer" and just bought the child dolls instead of making them cry by buying unwanted cars. And not made any kind of comment about it, or about toys being for boys/girls. And let the child wear whatever they wanted to in nursery and generally not been so rigid in applying sex-based stereotypes to their child.

anothermansshoes · 24/09/2021 11:19

Gender neutral is what we have in sex separation

CharlieParley · 24/09/2021 11:19

He added: “Why do the parents care? It’s toilets and times have changed. The headteacher puts all the kids in the school first.

That's a man who cannot conceive of other parents doing the exact same thing he did: advocate for their children's needs.

Astonishingly self-absorbed, to put it mildly.

And no, the head teacher did not "put all the kids in the school first", she put one male pupil first to the detriment of all others.

DdraigGoch · 24/09/2021 11:11

@MarshmallowSwede

Why is it always the girls or women’s toilets being turned into unisex?

Why not just make a unisex one that’s for everyone and keep the girls/women’s room?

In this case, they all were. So the girls were expected to walk past the urinals before using the toilet.
MarshmallowSwede · 24/09/2021 11:07

Why is it always the girls or women’s toilets being turned into unisex?

Why not just make a unisex one that’s for everyone and keep the girls/women’s room?

nauticant · 24/09/2021 11:01

Compare and contrast third spaces and gender-neutral toilets which the girls are compelled to use.

What are the benefits obtained, and by whom, for the girls not to be able to opt out of gender-neutral spaces?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 24/09/2021 10:57

I can understand parents kicking off if my biological boy is using the girls’ toilets but I thought gender-neutral toilets were a good solution.

A complete lack of acknowledgement of any need for reflection. No, "I thought this was an idea that served my individual needs very well. A large number of people objected to something that served only my individual needs to the detriment of their children. I don't know why I should care about that. My solution is the only solution that works for me so crack on with it."

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