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Men dominating the conversation even at ‘women’s’ event

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AliasGrape · 24/09/2021 07:44

Recently attended an event for women in a particular (traditionally male dominated) industry. The event was part of a larger conference with both male and female delegates. This particular event was a coaching event for the ‘women in X’ group run by a female professional coach.

I am not in X industry, had been asked to attend in a slightly different capacity, so was able to mostly observe.

Two men from the conference attended the event. I’m not sure if they asked whether it would be ok or just assumed - presumably they were interested in the topic.

Predictably, these two men totally dominated the conversation - speaking over the women repeatedly. At one point one interrupted the coach and gave a lengthy spiel which was basically a less coherent version of what she was already in the middle of saying.

I know this is nothing new and entirely predictable. It was just fascinating if not utterly depressing to see it ‘in the wild’. I’ve previously worked in very different types of workplaces (with far more women though the men there were perfectly capable of similar behaviour) and now work freelance from home usually so don’t have other colleagues to deal with. To see it happen in a group and an event specifically targeted at women and explicitly titled as for them, to empower them - that was quite something.

If it had been my industry/ event I think I would have struggled not to comment, but very much felt it wasn’t my place.

Do other people have similar experiences?

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teawamutu · 24/09/2021 09:52

Remember this going back to student days. One masterclass where a male student took up the first half of the session rambling on about what he'd been doing.

I waited for him to take a breath and expressed the view that interesting as this was, we were here to learn from the expert so could we maybe focus on that.

He subsided, several female students thanked me afterwards.

I must re-summon the ovaries I had as a grumpy teenager.

AliasGrape · 24/09/2021 09:49

In fairness to the coach, she did handle his interruption well, let him ramble himself out and then responded in a seemingly polite way but made it clear that was exactly what shed been saying anyway so he looked a bit stupid. Whether he noticed that or felt it I don't know.

It was construction.

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Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 24/09/2021 08:52

I don't want to derail the thread as I think these are very important observations. But if we accept the conceptualisations of 'women' and 'men' currently being aggressively promoted, then you have no idea who was a man or woman in the room. The only way you'd know was asking everyone. I think it's important not to hide this kind of interaction as it perpetuates the patriarchy. The coach might have felt unable to ask the men to leave as she could have no way of knowing if they were 'men' or 'women'. I have a DS btw and I am telling him about these kinds of problems - I'm telling him not all men do this but it is something for men to be aware of.

KittiesInsane · 24/09/2021 08:41

I joined a beginners’ online music theory course at the start of lockdown.

Of the 20 or so people there for the first session on Zoom, every single lengthy interruption was from a Dave or Andy or Mahmoud or Mike. Barely a peep from the women, who were politely trying to listen to the tutor, but couldn’t hear anything above the chaps trying to relate everything back to their ‘home sound recording studio’, or arguing that the tutor must be ‘basically wrong about that’ because they (Dave or Mahmoud or Andy) had missed the point.

I messaged after the first session and suggested heavy use of mute except when spoken answers were needed. Bliss.

(We definitely didn’t have a private competition amongst the women to beat the men to the answer every time. That would have been unfair. After all, we had a head start by being used to listening to the question.)

Babdoc · 24/09/2021 08:28

Not in the least surprised. But the professional female coach sounds a complete failure at her own job, if she allowed herself to be talked over by a mansplainer! Why on earth didn’t she shut him up with a withering put down and have him removed from the audience?

Neolara · 24/09/2021 08:24

My profession is mostly women. I went to a conference - about 300 women and maybe 10 men. Who asked the majority of questions and made totally pointless comments (talking because they need everyone to know they are there not because the comments add anything to the discussion)? The men obviously. I kept a tally chart because I was becoming so outraged by what was happening.

DillonPanthersTexas · 24/09/2021 08:17

Can I ask what industry?

LizzieSiddal · 24/09/2021 08:15

I wish the person in charge of these events would bloody well tell these men to shut up and allow others to speak. Why don’t they? It’s part of their role to ensure a person doesn’t dominate proceedings.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 24/09/2021 07:50

I have never ever been on a training course where there wasn't at least one man on the course who decided he knew everything and spoke over people. Not once.

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