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ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”

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foxgoosefinch · 23/09/2021 00:01

Unbelievable:
twitter.com/aclu/status/1439259891064004610?s=21

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TheWeeDonkey · 23/09/2021 16:45

It is disgusting, the woman has been dead a year and not only are her words being erased but everything she fought for is being erased too.

Absolute scum

TheWeeDonkey · 23/09/2021 16:40

@KnittingAddict was that Blocked and Reported? I enjoyed listening to them too, a bit 😕 on some of their views but always interesting until I listened to them discussing paedophiles last week and the week before and I can't listen to them after that.

JellySlice · 23/09/2021 16:33

Though TBH MN is virtually only place I use 'trans[person]'. And that is only because I am forced to by trans[persons] or their allies , who have any posts deleted that use terminology which mentions their actual sex and their sense of identity.

JellySlice · 23/09/2021 16:29

@PrincessNutella

Now that I have been educated, I know I will never be transphobic enough to say "trans woman" again. The correct term is "trans [person]."
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Thelnebriati · 23/09/2021 16:01

''dead editing'' doesn't really roll off the tongue but you know what I mean.

Delphinium20 · 23/09/2021 15:34

@Clymene

I hope RGB haunts Strangio
Thank you. I needed a laugh. Thanks
MrsTerryPratchett · 23/09/2021 15:30

They waited until she was dead though, didn't they? Because none of them would have dared do that while she was alive.

If sex isn't real, then women's rights aren't an issue. You can discriminate against biological processes, and of course pregnancy is the huge one, with impunity because it 'happens to everyone'.

Delphinium20 · 23/09/2021 15:25

When I saw this yesterday I stormed around the house, just seething that they would dare to rewrite, nay, ERASE, the words of one of the greatest minds of this century. Like most women in the left and (and many even center) in the US, I'm a massive fan of RGB. To think some little Twitter twit at the ACLU felt they could disrespect the late Ruth Bader Ginsberg like this just sent me into a complete rage.

I remember watching Posie Parker's video when she is so visibly angry at Daniel Radcliffe for showing disrespect towards JKRowling. RGB is a national treasure in my country and I feel just like Posie did that day.

BlaydonRaces · 23/09/2021 15:01

In a similar vein, check out this tweet from New Statesman which confusingly uses both 'pregnant people' and 'pregnant women'. The actual article is even worse and uses them interchangeably all the way through

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
MattDamon · 23/09/2021 14:38

@WeeBisom

This is the “all lives matter” style of feminism I see.
Nailed it.

And yes, this screams Chase/Kate Strangio's influence.

Jaysmith71 · 23/09/2021 14:35

@beastlyslumber

This might be the worst thing I've ever seen.
There was that time a US reporter addressed Nelson Mandela "as an African-American yourself."

But this is how language changes, not through edicts but through usage. Push back. Smother it in its cot before it can climb out.

Ghostsintheshelf · 23/09/2021 14:25

The Labour Party has never elected a [person] as leader.

Helleofabore · 23/09/2021 14:14

JCJ really has a way with words.

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ScreamingMeMe · 23/09/2021 14:07

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1440940995412103172?s=20

"Feminism is the radical notion that [persons] are people."

[People] are afraid that [people] will laugh at them.
[People] are afraid that [people] will kill them.

  • Margaret Atwood

[People] are guilty in 99% of all rapes. While [people] only in 1%. As the same time [people] aer in 85% victims of rape by [people].
This means we need have safeguarding, to protect [people] from [people]. Especially [people] are at bigger risk.

It’s only about 100 years ago that people won the hard fought right to vote

merrymouse · 23/09/2021 14:00

@WeeBisom

This is the “all lives matter” style of feminism I see.
Literally.

‘People’s Lives Matter’.

PrincessNutella · 23/09/2021 13:58

Now that I have been educated, I know I will never be transphobic enough to say "trans woman" again. The correct term is "trans [person]."

RinkyStinky1 · 23/09/2021 13:56

Just wanted to join in the outrage. Beyond disgusted doesn't even cover it.

merrymouse · 23/09/2021 13:56

Then the woman co-presenter talked about how she had been educated by Twitter or instagram or something this week and would stop using the term women when talking about abortion and pregnancy and would be using person instead.

Because the impact of naming the people who need rights is greater than the impact of their loss of rights?

foxgoosefinch · 23/09/2021 12:51

Just as some trans women identify into femininity via oppression and humiliation as proof of their “innate” femaleness, because they see womanhood as inherently based in subjugation and submission to violence or oppression. (Cf Andrea Long Chu’s Females; Torrey Peters etc.)

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foxgoosefinch · 23/09/2021 12:48

It’s not just like men’s rights language, it is men’s rights language.

It’s the logical outcome of a member of an oppressed group wanting to “identify” as a member of an oppressor group. They advocate for the interests of the oppressor group.

After all, doesn’t Strangio identify as a man? And what would be the ultimate way to prove one’s innate masculinity but to take part in the oppression or erasure of women?

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Graphista · 23/09/2021 11:09

Hope her dd Jane sues the arse off them! How utterly arrogantly stupid!

WomaninBoots · 23/09/2021 10:58

Wow. That's..... actually really disturbing. Confused

FloralBunting · 23/09/2021 10:43

You know the edited quote would be quite at home in the pro-life groups that campaign for men to have an equal say, and even go some way to assisting the 'personhood of the unborn' strategies they have, yes?

Don't need the government to control access to abortion when you have the ACLU and pro-lifers insisting that men have just as much right to a say as women.

How fucking stupid are these people that they can't see it?

knittingaddict · 23/09/2021 10:33

I listen to a left wing US podcast and it's been an education and I really enjoy it. I've had to give up on it now. They were talking recently about the Wi spa incident and said they thought it was ridiculous and probably never happened.

I caved and listened to one of their episodes this week and I can't give them another chance. I'm done. They were talking about the Texas abortion situation and I agreed with every word. Then the woman co-presenter talked about how she had been educated by Twitter or instagram or something this week and would stop using the term women when talking about abortion and pregnancy and would be using person instead. She was bending over backwards to thank them for their "education" and how she had been enlightened. She then pointed out to one of her male co-presenters that they had use woman instead of person, but that they would "get there eventually". I turned off at that point.

I don't subscribe to their podcast, so I'm no great loss to them. I did think about telling them why I no longer listen, but I can only contact them on Twitter and I'm not risking that, no matter how strongly I feel. I can't send an email as far as I can tell, so I will just have to vote with my feet.

EsmaCannonball · 23/09/2021 10:16

It's a WOMEN'S rights issue; if men wanted abortions the issue wouldn't exist at all, you could get one at your local pharmacy.

The next step will be to posthumously trans RBG. Rising to the top of a male-dominated field will be taken as evidence that we shouldn't assume that s/he wasn't non-binary or an actual man.

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