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ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”

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foxgoosefinch · 23/09/2021 00:01

Unbelievable:
twitter.com/aclu/status/1439259891064004610?s=21

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 24/09/2021 15:02

I await the re-writing of the US constitution. Future scholars will be baffled as to why there was any controversy over its amendments. There will be no understanding about why Amendments 15 or 19 were necessary.

foxgoosefinch · 24/09/2021 14:58

One of my favourite current usernames on MN is @mrsovertonswindow

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MrsTerryPratchett · 24/09/2021 14:48

@AngeloMysterioso that is very enlightening.

PrincessNutella · 24/09/2021 14:13

This is definitely a great example of the Overton Window. My husband didn't know what the Overton Window was so I was googling it on Wikipedia and it had this quote from Noam Chomsky:

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum—even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate.[12]"
Jaysmith71 · 24/09/2021 14:06

[Persons] who want [Persons]
Who like [Persons] to be [Persons]
Who do [Persons] like they're [Persons]
Who do [Persons] like they're [Persons]
Always should be someone you really love...

PermanentTemporary · 24/09/2021 14:01

@foxgoosefinch I'm on a lone tip at the moment referring to men who transition as trans men, and women who transition as trans women. So Chase Strangio is a trans woman, I'm a woman, we are the sex class for whom abortion rights are essential.

I'm not seriously expecting one perimenopausal British woman to swing anything in the way of language change. But it's a statement. We should be long past the era of trans people hiding who they are, going 'stealth' and all that. It means I can accurately and neutrally state that Christine Burns is a trans man. Stephen Whittle is one of the most influential trans women in the world. Owen Jones is a man. Naomi Hersl was a trans man who was tragically murdered. Michael Dillon was one of the first known British trans women. I am a woman.

No cis, no denial of sex, equality and acceptance for all trans people, open discussion of rights.

AngeloMysterioso · 24/09/2021 11:59

Not a [them], [themselves] or [people] in sight…

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
AngeloMysterioso · 24/09/2021 11:56

I’ve been raging thinking about this a lot today, and was wondering if they’d dare to sanitise the words of say, Martin Luther King, in the same way as they have here.

Then I found the answer to that exact question- no. No they would not.

They posted this quote from his I Have A Dream speech, “men” and all, in August this year.

What is it about Martin Luther King that makes his words more sacrosanct, I wonder?

twitter.com/aclu/status/1431593641823383554?s=21

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
OnlyTheLangOfTheTitberg · 24/09/2021 06:32

@AngeloMysterioso

Found it. Posted on 31st March this year-

Last 100 @ACLU tweets by topic

Immigration/Muslim ban: 8
Police reform/racial justice: 9
Voting rights: 7
Economic inequality: 3
Prison: 1
Surveillance: 2
Abortion: 3
DC Statehood: 2
ACLU fundraising: 1
Trans issues: 63

Free speech: 1
Due process: 0

twitter.com/mtracey/status/1377286476187242499?s=21

Significant margin is rather an understatement. More like a fucking landslide.

Most oppressed tho. [/s]
LobsterNapkin · 24/09/2021 03:02

@AngeloMysterioso

Found it. Posted on 31st March this year-

Last 100 @ACLU tweets by topic

Immigration/Muslim ban: 8
Police reform/racial justice: 9
Voting rights: 7
Economic inequality: 3
Prison: 1
Surveillance: 2
Abortion: 3
DC Statehood: 2
ACLU fundraising: 1
Trans issues: 63

Free speech: 1
Due process: 0

twitter.com/mtracey/status/1377286476187242499?s=21

Significant margin is rather an understatement. More like a fucking landslide.

It's shocking and sad to think what this organisation used to stand for, and do.

People now have come to associate freedom of speech, freedom of belief, and due process, with right wing causes and groups. Now, I am not partisan enough to think that the right wing only has bad ideas, that's never been true.

But the fact that partisan progressives hear about things like freedom of information and think "right wing" is shocking.

Yesterday I was reading about a group that was protesting that the local library had a book they didn't like. One of the comments directed to those who defended it on access to information grounds was "well then, why don't they just put Mein Kampf on the shelves?!!!" Which is, of course, already on the shelf, and has been for decades.

RinkyStinky1 · 24/09/2021 02:10

"I am [person], hear me roar" Helen Reddy - 'I Am [Person]

"[Person], I can hardly express.." John Lennon - [Person].

FFS.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/09/2021 00:29

I can't bring myself to change Whatta Man by Salt n Peppa. But I suppose that fits because men are still allowed to be men.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 24/09/2021 00:13

Some of these "corrected" quotes and lyrics are hilarious. I'd like to contribute "I may not be a [person of high social standing or refinement], but I'm all [person]".

Ringsender2 · 23/09/2021 23:58

@Clymene

I hope RGB haunts Strangio
Grin
NiceGerbil · 23/09/2021 23:58

This pattern replicated across loads of MPs, pundits, lgbtqi+ campaigners and orgs, the police, feminist orgs, I mean the list is endless.

It would be fascinating to watch and think how the hell did this happen. If it wasn't for the small fact that it means rights for female people, our issues etc can no longer be discussed or raised in any meaningful way. And when they are raised eg abortion USA an extremely large number of orgs etc seem to be hugely more interested in talking about wording than the actual issue.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/09/2021 23:51

Good grief AngeloMysterioso That's ridiculous given what they're meant to stand for.

AngeloMysterioso · 23/09/2021 23:47

Found it. Posted on 31st March this year-

Last 100 @ACLU tweets by topic

Immigration/Muslim ban: 8
Police reform/racial justice: 9
Voting rights: 7
Economic inequality: 3
Prison: 1
Surveillance: 2
Abortion: 3
DC Statehood: 2
ACLU fundraising: 1
Trans issues: 63

Free speech: 1
Due process: 0

twitter.com/mtracey/status/1377286476187242499?s=21

Significant margin is rather an understatement. More like a fucking landslide.

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
AngeloMysterioso · 23/09/2021 23:34

@334bu

The emphasis on trans rights is quite remarkable. Of the 22 tweets posted by the ACLU on 21st September, 5 were about transgender issues.
I forget where I saw it, but someone somewhere counted how many tweets ACLU posted about various issues over a certain period of time. Trans rights was in the lead by a significant margin.
Fitt · 23/09/2021 22:50

@PrincessNutella

Now that I have been educated, I know I will never be transphobic enough to say "trans woman" again. The correct term is "trans [person]."
Agree. No idea where they are spectrum/fluid(personally) so I think that's safest.
littlbrowndog · 23/09/2021 22:40

Can’t see your link xi

They want me to pay 🙁

XiXimXerJinping · 23/09/2021 22:19

www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/09/2021 22:16

And there's no need. If they think they have a better way to put the message, go right ahead. Why not write a new I Have A Dream or Ich Bin Ein Berliner if it comes to it.

Either actually quote or write your own. Don't be a wanker, misquoting a legend.

NiceGerbil · 23/09/2021 22:11

Not any old woman ruth bader Ginsburg.

They couldn't have chosen a woman that would cause more outrage to do this to if they'd tried.

She's only been dead s year and this American org which apparently is all about civil rights has casually pissed all over her legacy.

Such utter disrespect for a woman who did so so much for so many years.

I just can't understand many of the things happening now. At all.

littlbrowndog · 23/09/2021 22:09

Her words

ACLU rewrites Ruth Bader Ginsberg to remove the word “woman”
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