Does Lisa Nandy hate women?

You'd think after being publicly on record advocating for rapists to be imprisoned with women (on the basis that they say they 'feel like a woman') she would have done a little more reflecting and soul searching.

But no. She just trots out exactly the same lines.

This young person who's going through this at the moment seems to be taking their time.

And to answer the original question. Yes, Lisa hates women. I'm a great believer in listening when someone shows you who they are.

Politicians are stoking the fires by making it clear that only trans right's matter whenever asked about women's rights. How can feminists not be furious by a response like that? The question was about women's rights to partake in the public sphere. Let's talk about that, Lisa.

Is she still banging on about this child?

Of there's no improvement in the past 2 + years then whats she arguing for more of the same ?

So sick of this lots of words no answers to question nonsense. Does she really think the public do not see through her " if I say realky nice things no one will notice I didnt answer the question " tactic.

Lisa, seriously it didn't work then and it's not working now.

There's a word for repeating the same actions and expecting a different outcome....

Yea the old ' I'm glad you asked that- now here is the answer to a different question ' ploy. Doesn't Lisa want to expel dissidents on this issue? And crush the Scots?

Does Lisa nandu hate women? No

Is nandy severely lacking critical thinking skills? Evidently.

The trotting out the “trans child in my constituency” hyper emotive line makes me want to slam my head into a desk. In the field I work in we’re trying to create change in the nhs & social care. I’m repeatedly asked for evidence that it’s an issue. If I rocked up to a meeting with “this woman I spoke to on the phone yesterday said it was” I’d be laughed out of the room after being reminded what constitutes evidence

And yet nandy thinks we should open up any and all women spaces to men & boys because a trans child (there is no such thing but we’ll let that pass for now) in her constituency is sad?

Imagine applying that level of critical thinking to any other policy issue! I mean ffs

Unfortunately a whole chunk of the left has fallen on the politically fashionable side of the trans argument. I feel sorry for trans people, they should of course be treated with humanity, but the scientific evidence is the scientific evidence, a man can no more change into a woman than a dog can change into a cat.

We've got to take the heat out of some of the conversations, shed far far more light

She has been saying this for over 2 years now. It's was all less heat and more light in the run up to the elections. She hasn't done anything but fuel the fire and tighten the curtains further. She is an absolute idiot in my view and a traitor to women, inc Rosie.

Yes very good points Caspar.

Excellent points Caspar, wish we had a like button.

Sorry @nicegerbil, just realised that was your point too. I suddenly got moved to rant having read the op but didn’t read the thread well enough first.

I don’t normally get involved in this argument as I can’t work out my position, but 25% of all under 17 suicides are children with ASD. Doesn’t mean they get any more help or acknowledgement or national attention from politicians and celebrities. No, they get dumped on long waiting lists for even a diagnosis and families sidelined and gaslighted through the education system.
Here is the suicide data.
www.ncmd.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/REF253-2020-NCMD-Summary-Report-on-Child-Suicide-July-2020.pdf

Any suicide is terrible but mis-using at as a reason to focus on one group not another is just an abuse of data for your own political purpose. If the issue is hate crime, deal with hate crime for all. If it’s suicide then deal with suicide for all. If it’s male violence, deal with solving it for all their victims. What she’s actually saying is we are prioritising this one group above the needs of all the others in need for the same reasons and we are hiding behind this data as our motive.

I don't think she does hate women and that's a stretch to construe that.

I knew her family well growing up. I'm saddened she's not taken a more critical and analytic view but I do think she's a career politician.

These politicians have a stock answer for what they don't know about.

Thinking it will be useful to mention real people and mental health.

However she's clearly going to have to get up to speed as Kier seems to be saying he supports women (I can't read this so can't fully work out what he's saying but two friends have excitedly shared.)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-trans-women-labour-b1924832.html?fbclid=IwAR1-E8QMKMzBGO94V8-tDUY58qehXpyijC3MW7iw8T0Nq3_lghC2ekaZjFM

She hasn't moved on from a year ago. She says the same things each time.

'More light less heat'
'I have a trans child constituent'

The debate has opened up enormously in the last 12 months and Nandy clings to the same old script.

The answer to that question is obvious though.

Because the NHS has limited resources/ money. And it's allocated according to prioritision, severity, success etc etc. As it should be.

Loads of essential NHS services are underfunded, long waiting lists etc.

MH for young people is one.

To push this above all else is well. It doesn't acknowledge real life.

I don't think Nandy meant what was happening to Duffield is not a real issue, that sentence We've got to take the heat out of some of the conversations, shed far far more light, and start to tackle the real issues, like why it is that so many trans people across the country are waiting years for help and support on the National Health Service... is not about Duffield at all.

And please don't call us laydeeees makes me think I'm at a shit pub disco in the 80s.

Same with Lisa n and NHS waiting times.

Loads of groups / procedures are not getting the care they need.

The NHS is under the cosh.

This absolutely needs to be looked at across the board and looked at from that angle.

Fighting for this or that. When there is little money. And resources must be allocated based on the whole piece, prioritised etc.

Money in the NHS should not be allocated according to the amount of pressure about it.

When it comes to stats.

Really the data should be collected widely about young people and MH and then segmented.

Focusing on one group alone is an incomplete picture. We know that MH in young people is a worry and it needs to be looked at holistically. Imo.

Hello poppy.

'Can one of you ladies give me an example of what you would consider transphobic? A way of treating them, or how to refer to them. I always assumed they might know best'

No problem.

I'd say things like-

Attacking people who are taken as trans (GNC) on the street. Men carrying out transphobic/ racist etc attacks are too common.

Bullying a trans colleague because they are trans. Case recently where it was I think a car factory and mostly male. The blokes were bullying a trans woman or maybe a non binary femme presenting colleague. Appalling. The victim won the case.. Good.

Some male dominated sites apparently are really bad. Slurs jokes etc about trans people.

Does that help?

Can one of you ladies give me an example of what you would consider transphobic?

Sure, I think it is transphobic when people are fired for being trans or bullied at school or work for being trans. Men assaulting trans people for being trans is transphobic.

The prominent TRAs on social media like Damien Barr referring to trans people using slur words like t*** seems transphobic to me.

I don't however, think it is transphobic to think that sex is real and that sex has meaningful consequences for legal and social policies.

Good writeup @TedImgoingmad

I just saw this on catchup and started raging when Nandy referred to "the real issues" as though death and rape threats towards politicians like Rosie and Joanna Cherry aren't "real issues".

And Nandy has been dining out on the "young trans person in my community" anecdote for years now. It would be great if she'd show the same level of concern for women in her constituency.