Does Lisa Nandy hate women?

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This is a forum primarily for mothers, with all but a tiny minority of members being female, using "ladies" to collectively address that group is perfectly fine."

Mumsnet is an open forum and there are consequently plenty of men on it. Don't know the exact figure but I seem to recall as high as a third??

This is a very good piece by Genevieve Gluck on the suicide stats, specifically in relation to puberty blockers:

genevievegluck.substack.com/p/puberty-blockers-and-the-medical

'In addition, a Swedish study showed that after transition, patients had a 19x higher rate of suicide than matched controls: “The overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide. Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts and psychiatric inpatient care.”'

It's really worth remembering that children presenting with gender dysphoria are more likely to have mental health problems. It's wrong to assume that the mental health problems are a consequence of not having their gender identity affirmed. It's also possible (indeed likely, in my view) that their gender dysphoria is a response to their mental health difficulties, with children latching on very readily to a simple explanation for their emotional distress.

Why, oh why, do I feel that there is just much jumping on the bandwagon with lots of politicians, and why does everything have to be either/or?
Being respectful and agreeing that there are different people who all need safe spaces isn't so difficult is it? Telling anyone that they are behaving very badly isn't too much to ask for, is it? And behaving as though being in a minority, any minority, endows them with automatic sainthood is just silly.
Sorry, I felt the need for a bit of a rant today.

Analysis of most of the studies/surveys that include the topic of suicide for LGBT demographics:

4thwavenow.com/tag/lgbt-suicide/

Matilda I think Monsignor's post was intended as a parody of the 'You've misgendered me, that's literal violence' that we see from TRAs.

Or what a woman is, oops.

How can she hate women if she doesn't actually know what a women is?

Every time I read suicide risk stats for young trans adults or children with gender dysphoria (I refuse to call them trans children), I wonder how many of them are in the group with ASD who are at very high risk of suicide as described by CasparBloomberg . Are these the same children? In which case why is the trans narrative so much more important?

This is a forum primarily for mothers, with all but a tiny minority of members being female, using "ladies" to collectively address that group is perfectly fine.

Prove it. And no it isn't 'perfectly fine'. Do better.

I follow the quoted stats back to the original study or survey whenever that is possible and as far as I can tell, they are all of similar low quality or similarly misused.

The most reliable source in the UK is the Tavistock, who responded to the claims about such widespread suicidality amongst children diagnosed with gender dysphoria that based on their over 5000 patient records it simply isn't true.

These children are no different from other children with mental health issues. IIRC, children with anorexia are at the highest risk of suicide, which is almost twice that of children diagnosed with gender dysphoria. And yet no one uses that to say we should affirm their beliefs about themselves.

And the reason, PermanentTemporary why the use of these false claims is so irresponsible is that they are made to justify putting children on a medical pathway that has life-limiting consequences for many.

And the reason why that should be unlawful in my view is because there is no evidence that a transition, whether social or medical, actually decreases the risk of suicide. None.

Also, Lisa is arguing wholly illogically here anyway, because the issue of children diagnosed with gender dysphoria has nothing whatsoever to do with Labour keeping Labour women safe or specifically what Rosie Duffield actually engaged on - women's rights, not children transitioning.

But even if this was relevant, LN is saying: children must be allowed to transition because this will lower the risk they might kill themselves. And no matter what study you look at or what particular number she decides to use on any given day, this is not true. It is not true.

Puberty blockers carry a warning on the patient leaflet in the EU now that they cause depression and suicides. Studies into actual suicides show they occur at least as often in gender dysphoric people who have transitioned as in those who have not.

So she's using fake stats to make erroneous claims about what these children need.

Of course, here she says we must be nicer as a society on social media because these children are at risk of suicide. (Again, also, forgetting this isn't a two sides as bad as each other issue.) And again this is an irresponsible claim. These children suffer a serious mental health condition. The absolute worst thing we could do for them is to deny it's a mental health condition because that removes the treatment options proven to be most effective at improving their lives: counselling to help them reconcile body and mind. And yet that's what we're doing. And LN would probably call me transphobic for even saying it's a mental health condition.

This is a forum primarily for mothers, with all but a tiny minority of members being female, using "ladies" to collectively address that group is perfectly fine.

I had a quick glimpse of Rebecca Long Bailey yesterday on the tv, and found myself recoiling. Seeing women spouting shit that damages women and harms children really sets me off.

I also recoil at men doing it too. But seeing women do it - god, it makes me feel gutted at the betrayal.

I cannot bear Lisa Nandy - especially when she plays deprivation top trumps and makes out that she was somehow deprived as a child.

Her grandfather was a Liberal party politician and member of the House of Lords. Her father was Indian - so she will have faced some racial abuse - but he was from a privileged Indian family, privately educated, and worked as an academic after coming to UK before taking up consultancy posts with institutions like the Runnymede Trust, Home Office and BBC. She makes a big thing out of him having done a grotty job at Cadbury before he got his academic post. There were very few students in the 1960s who did not do some kind of grotty job at some stage.

Just SO annoying. Compare her with Rishi Sunak or Kwasi Kwarteng or Kemi Badenoch who recognise how privileged they are and just get on with the job they are paid to do.

FFS Lisa Nancy's young person must be a pensioner by now

In the unlikely event that a Labour government existed, then I would not want Lisa Nandy, Rebecca Long Bailey or Jess Phillips in any decision making role. The only thing worse than that, would be if Ed Davey defected and joined the Labour party.

I don't think she hates women, she just love her career more than women. As the Libdem who wore one of Posies T-Shirts found out, take one step outside the dogma of the cult and you are toast, and there is no coming back for you. It's cowardice of the highest order.

Lisa is a thickie, just an ambitious one.

You also have to take into account that the trans lobby tell children constantly that being trans will likely cause suicidal feelings, despite being told it is yet another form of social contagion amongst the youth. Fed the narrative they are hated and will be beaten and murdered etc. So unhealthy for already fragile minds.

These children will then assume any suicidal thoughts are an affirmation of their 'transness' rather than the cause of their trauma lying elsewhere. That trauma isn't dealt with because exploration of other possible explanations is forbidden.

She's either unbelievably stupid or unbelievably callous.

Either way, she shouldn't be anywhere near government.

Pressed post too soon! Imo, Nandy isn't a serious politician anyway, she's a gish-galloper with good contacts.

Wigan has an electorate of circa 75,000, plus children and people ineligible to vote: Nandy's repeated emotionally manipulative weaponising of a trans child is unprofessional and completely dismissive of the needs of everyone else, including children of the opposite sex who may be impacted in their single-sex spaces.

The constant deflection onto trans when talking about women is absolutely atrocious and I am out of patience with it. What does she want, the Tories to put out pary political broadcasts at the next election showing all the politicians who can't seem to say the word woman?

Can one of you ladies give me an example of what you would consider transphobic?

One example is assuming the gender of people you don't know, for example calling them "ladies".

Please educate yourself, poppy.

She's been banging on about that child for so long now that they must be grown up.

And what has she actually done as an MP to improve NHS services in her constituency, if they're supposedly so shit? Or is she moaning about the Tavistock, or what? I can never work out what she is actually saying and what she actually wants.