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Women giving their body parts to men-kidneys

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1Endeavour2 · 22/09/2021 08:53

Women donate more kidneys than men. Men receive more kidneys than women. Surprise me!

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LobsterNapkin · 22/09/2021 11:10

Just because there is some disparity in a statistic about men and women does not mean there is some kind of anti-woman thing going on. That's the worst kind of cheap, lazy, gotcha bs.

EsmaCannonball · 22/09/2021 11:03

There are also statistics that show a man is far more likely to initiate a divorce if his wife is diagnosed with cancer than vice versa. In relationships and families women are often seen as staff members more than human beings.

OverTheRubicon · 22/09/2021 10:52

Absolutely unsurprised.

Similarly, for every 100 women who donate blood, only 70 men donate blood. This persists even though more women have conditions that mean they can't donate, and it's not about work and availability - at my workplace we got free time off to donate, with a mobile donation unit around the corner, and still more women stepped up.

It's not about healthcare providers as it isn't doctors soliciting donations - it's about the cultural expectations and environment that means that far more female than male relatives will step up to be tested.

SilverViking · 22/09/2021 10:48

I'm unclear on your last post "only women are asked to be surogates or donate uterus" ... surely by the biological makeup of the humans, only women can???
Or am I missing something obvious?

1Endeavour2 · 22/09/2021 10:30

I observe that only women are/will be asked to be surrogates, donate uteruses if the time comes.
Many modern armies in the world have 'augmented' soldiers. Who is going to 'augment' them. Just my reflection on women's place in the scheme of things. I have been rethinking surrogacy lately. Now think it is open to massive misuse especially for disadvantaged women.

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EsmaCannonball · 22/09/2021 10:17

I read about this years ago when researching the family pressures put on women in India to become surrogates. Doctors may be making clinical decisions but when it comes to families making their decisions, then sexism and coercion comes into play. Men are seen as more valuable, more deserving and as the family breadwinner. Women are seen as expendable, the service human beings, and are judged more harshly for not being self-sacrificing. (#BeKind being enforced on females far more than males.) In large extended families finances may be a factor. It's illegal to sell kidneys, but there's nothing to stop a richer relative paying off a poorer one, or for the family benefactor's life to be seen as more essential than some other lowly relative.

ConstantlyIrksome · 22/09/2021 10:14

Doctors don't ask any family members to be donors - potential donors must approach the transplant service independently to undergo initial compatibility tests.

Not saying that there isn't some truth to women being more likely to choose to donate or external pressure being applied by family members, but it is unrelated to healthcare bias.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 10:07

That womens socilasation extends to giving up actual parts of their bodies to men, and yet we are still despised.

bg21 · 22/09/2021 10:06

what's the point of this post exactly?

JosephineDeBeauharnais · 22/09/2021 10:04

Interesting, I thought that donation of an organ to a man from a woman who had ever had a child was sub-optimal?
Disclaimer- I’m not a medic.

AlexaIWillNeverSayDucking · 22/09/2021 09:55

This is only an issue if there is a trend across all donations - with the relatively small number of donated organs and the number of organs that can be donated, it's statistically likely that one organ (at least) will have a marked difference in male-female or female-male, just down to chance.

Fariha31 · 22/09/2021 09:31

@Ethelswith

Recipients are prioritised by clinical need and quality of match, and that's how it should be.

Living donors are usually found from direct family members, and again it is best quality of match from those tested which will be prioritised. That's not based on sex. Altruistic donation is pretty rare.

Getting more people (regardless of sex) to tell their relatives that they want their organs used is of course a good thing, even with an opt-out system.

Who else thinks all else being equal, that a doctor will ask a female relative before a male one?
Dozer · 22/09/2021 09:30

‘ Recipients are prioritised by clinical need and quality of match, and that's how it should be’

Decisions, including by clinicians in healthcare, are not made in a vacuum!

Ethelswith · 22/09/2021 09:28

Are men more likely to suffer kidney disease / failure?

More women have kidney disease, but men who get it tend to have more serious disease and are more likely to reach kidney failure. So yes, there are clinical reasons why men are more likely to be on the transplant list

Ethelswith · 22/09/2021 09:26

Recipients are prioritised by clinical need and quality of match, and that's how it should be.

Living donors are usually found from direct family members, and again it is best quality of match from those tested which will be prioritised. That's not based on sex. Altruistic donation is pretty rare.

Getting more people (regardless of sex) to tell their relatives that they want their organs used is of course a good thing, even with an opt-out system.

Whitefire · 22/09/2021 09:21

Is there a medical reason / basis to this? Are men more likely to suffer kidney disease / failure? Are we talking about live donors or after death? It needs a lot more context than provided.

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