Women giving their body parts to men-kidneys

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]@Simonjt
You can have had the sex the day of donation as long as you’ve been together more than three months.

Unless you were a man having sex with another man. The U.K. rules didnt change to be equal until summer 2021. All the statistics regarding number of men donating vs women predate the rules change.
www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-change-to-blood-donation-criteria?ftag=MSF0951a18[/quote]
I am literally part of freedom to donate, I know the rules, our lobbying is what enabled them to change. Gay men (like any other donor) can donate if they haven’t had a new partner in the last three months. Blood donors do not have to be celibate.

14 June 2021 is not next year!

That's incorrect. Men who have sex with men are not barred from organ donation, so that's not a relevant statistic.

You are correct. I confused blood with organ donation. Sorry.

@Simonjt
You can have had the sex the day of donation as long as you’ve been together more than three months.

Unless you were a man having sex with another man. The U.K. rules didnt change to be equal until summer 2021. All the statistics regarding number of men donating vs women predate the rules change.
www.gov.uk/government/news/landmark-change-to-blood-donation-criteria?ftag=MSF0951a18

[quote PlanDeRaccordement]However, the following is fact. Up until next year, gay and bisexual men were barred from blood and organ donation if they’d had sex within past three months. The same doesn’t apply to lesbian and bisexual women. So the donation pool of men is therefore smaller than the donation pool of women. So you cannot expect blood/organ donation to be 50/50 from each sex.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uk-eases-restrictions-on-blood-donations-from-gay-and-bisexual-men/ar-BB1bVct4[/quote]
No we’re not, all people in the UK are barred from donating blood if they have had a new sexual partner in the last three months. You can have had the sex the day of donation as long as you’ve been together more than three months.

I’m part of the team (freedom to donate) who managed to bring about the change this year (June).

Gosh, it's almost like there is a feminism board so that women can reflect on WHY women are more likely to be prepared to give things up to men. Have another try, Summerhouse, you can do it if you really try.

So your only contribution to the thread is to patronise mine? You have another try.

I just meant that women are more prepared to do it. I.e. not a medical reason.

So people have just said "Be nice!" to women so loudly for so long that we just are?

However pregnant women aren't eligible, and you are not supposed to become pregnant until 12 months plus after donation (and even after that there are higher risks overall with pregnancy after kidney donation), nor would it be encouraged or accepted have recently had a baby/are breastfeeding - that's a very large of pool of women who are out of consideration.

There are slightly higher numbers of men with diabetes, uncontrolled high blood pressure or HIV, which would preclude them from donation, but then there are higher numbers of women with anaemia, eating disorders or others that are also risky.

Overall the numbers affected by pregnancy would still be larger though, and so the pool of male donors should be similar if not larger than that of female donors.

www.statista.com/statistics/1036415/prevalence-of-cirrhosis-in-the-uk-by-gender/

Stats on organ donation UK

Of deceased donors - following brain death and heart attack (circuiatory death) - there are more male donors than female (brain death 50/50, heart attack 66/34)

www.statista.com/statistics/520163/organ-donation-population-by-gender-united-kingdom-uk/

You might find this report interesting

nhsbtdbe.blob.core.windows.net/umbraco-assets-corp/19220/activity-report-2019-2020.pdf

It also shows more male than female donors

The big 'gap' is that the numbers of donors from the BAME community is lower that the proportion in the population.

Are men more likely to become alcoholics and wreck their livers with drink?

Who else thinks all else being equal, that a doctor will ask a female relative before a male one?

Well, not me, because IME they ask all family members who are closely related/same degree of kin, and the request is made to everyone

Apparently, a women diagnosed with cancer is 8 times more likely to be left by her male partner than is a man with a cancer diagnosis to be left by his female partner.

Self -sacrifice is built into women's socialisation - and it clearly works a treat.

Or perhaps men just sacrifice themselves in different ways? 🤔

Our results suggested gender matching for kidney transplant. Only in some exceptional conditions, male donor to female recipient kidney transplant may be successful and female donors to male recipients are not suggested, especially in aged patients with the history of dialysis.

That is interesting. So if there are more female donors, female recipients should be prioritised - it's not just about clinical need, it's also about who will benefit the most.

I wonder if those recommendations are/will actually be implemented? Or are men still being given organs that women could benefit from far more?

However, the following is fact. Up until next year, gay and bisexual men were barred from blood and organ donation if they’d had sex within past three months

Did you not read the comment you are replying to - there are only 70 male donors for every 100 women. Do you believe that 30% of the male population has had sex with a man in the past three months?

And it's not "pure speculation" that women are much more heavily pressured into being altruistic and self-sacrificing than men are!

Women are probably guilted into organ donation a lot more, there is currently a thread on AIBU about organ donation and there is a lot of ire directed towards anyone not wanting to be an organ donor and a lot of veiled "it will be your fault if someone dies' This is likely female socialisation, I can't see the same happening on the likes of pistol heads.

Only statistic I could find regarding kidneys is (obviously rounded) 60% donors are women, and 40% donors are men in a BBC future article from 2018 (which is full of speculation as to why this is somuch like this thread.)

Also, 59% of people who need kidneys are men, compared to 41% women.

The IPSOS Mori 2017 survey found that:
10% of Gen Z men identified as bisexual or gay
12% of older generations’ men identified as mostly heterosexual, mostly homosexual or exclusively homosexual

So 10-12% of men are effectively barred from donation unless not sexually active/celibate.

So it is likely that the combination of more men than women having failing kidneys and also the 10-12% of men who are not exclusively heterosexual effectively barred from donating....would close a lot if not all of the gap.

There's a real issue with men not donating or even being registered as donors. Society needs encourage more of them to be part of the system, especially young men and blood / plasma donation. Personally I think its something we should teaching during whatever sort of what I called General Studies in school

Poster after poster have noted that this is not going to be a healthcare 'anti-woman thing'. However it absolutely looks to be driven by greater cultural expectations of women - or to flip it, our lower expectations of men to take personal health risk or discomfort for the health benefits of others.

It could be, and as far as I know women are more likely to donate in general, but no one has really stepped up to examine what is behind it all. There could be any number of reasons, both medical and social. Things like who works, and where, etc. Who is in a position to take time off work. Etc. The fact that men receive more kidney's is almost certainly going to be medically based and very possibly linked to the fact that women give more, too.

This is the kind of thing it's difficult to discuss usefully without more comparative data. There are just too many variables involved.

However, the following is fact. Up until next year, gay and bisexual men were barred from blood and organ donation if they’d had sex within past three months. The same doesn’t apply to lesbian and bisexual women. So the donation pool of men is therefore smaller than the donation pool of women. So you cannot expect blood/organ donation to be 50/50 from each sex.
www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/uk-eases-restrictions-on-blood-donations-from-gay-and-bisexual-men/ar-BB1bVct4

However it absolutely looks to be driven by greater cultural expectations of women - or to flip it, our lower expectations of men to take personal health risk or discomfort for the health benefits of others.

This is pure speculation.

Poster after poster have noted that this is not going to be a healthcare 'anti-woman thing'. However it absolutely looks to be driven by greater cultural expectations of women - or to flip it, our lower expectations of men to take personal health risk or discomfort for the health benefits of others.

Impact of the donor-recipient gender matching on the graft survival from live donors

Interesting:

Results
The most successful transplant based on donor-recipient gender was observed in male donor to male recipient, and then male donor to female recipient. In female transplant recipients, level of serum cratinine and eGFR, positive dialysis history before transplant, and low donor hemoglobin level can be considered as good prognostic factors recommended for kidney transplant survival.

Conclusions
Our results suggested gender matching for kidney transplant. Only in some exceptional conditions, male donor to female recipient kidney transplant may be successful and female donors to male recipients are not suggested, especially in aged patients with the history of dialysis.

I think it's to do with more women being prepared to do it.

This doesn't surprise me. There was a poster on MN who was under severe pressure to donate a kidney to her Father / FIL.