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50 French experts write letter condemning affirmation model of trans presenting children and silencing of experts .

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334bu · 21/09/2021 15:33

www.lexpress.fr/actualite/idees-et-debats/changement-de-sexe-chez-les-enfants-nous-ne-pouvons-plus-nous-taire-face-a-une-grave-derive_2158725.html

Don't know if you can get a translation of this.

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gregaliara · 10/10/2021 08:08

In respect of the above harsh criticism I have levied against countries that have abandoned their responsibilities to protect children. Their most vulnerable THEY DESERVE MY/OUR CRITICISM. another reason why it is much deserved.

www.channel4.com/news/children-have-been-very-seriously-damaged-by-nhs-gender-clinic-says-former-tavistock-staff-governor

gregaliara · 10/10/2021 04:49

We all need to kick up a stink about children being targets: DISTURBING IT IS.

This does NOT in anyway refer to Adults, (who need our non critical support ALWAYS). only the targeting and GROSS abuse of children. Those involved need to understand the ceiling has fallen in, already very progressive countries involved KNOW they have been abusing children. All treatments now being banned, if your a trans child no medical treatment for you NONE. you can have a Paracetamol , NOTHING ELSE. WE ALL NEED TO BE WELL INFORMED:

ACTIVISTS and THEIR POLITCAL HENCHMAN ARE DEVIOUS. SWEDEN
Swedish Agency for Health Technology Assessment and Assessment of Social Services has published an overview of the knowledge base, it stated that MEDICAL TRANSITION OF MINORS IS NOT EVIDENCE-BASED. Surgery is already banned.

KAROLINSKA INSTITUTE - Clinic to halt trans drugs for children
Australian health ministers are being urged to act as Sweden’s top clinic moves first to end routine treatment with hormone drugs. Also puberty blocking drugs as well.
ASTRID LINDGREN CHILDRENS HOSPITAL STOCKHOLM has ended the practice of prescribing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to minors with gender dysphoria.
FINLAND
Finnish Health Authority (PALKO/COHERE) issued new guidelines that state that psychotherapy, rather than puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, should be the first-line treatment for gender - dysphoric youth.
FRANCE
Letter signed by more than 50 French clinicians are also now taking a stand. In an open letter published four days ago over fifty medical professionals and prominent academics, including doctors, legal experts, educational experts, philosophers, sociologists, psychiatrists, judges, and psychoanalysts excoriated transgender ideology and condemned “sex reassignment” in children.

334bu · 25/09/2021 01:26

TRA seem more into direct action in France. They don't just tell women to get burned, they actually try to set them on fire.

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Waitwhat23 · 25/09/2021 00:16

I suppose it depends on how pervasive the whole 'suck my lady dick and die in a grease fire, transphobe' dialogue is in France. I wonder if they've got an equivalent to this? www.terfisaslur.com

Drably · 24/09/2021 23:39
Is the "I've been silenced" grift as lucrative on the other side of the channel?
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 23/09/2021 17:08

Bon.

Etinox · 22/09/2021 00:02

Great letter and refreshing mix of men and women signees.

LizzieSiddal · 21/09/2021 23:39

That is a fantastic letter.

Manderleyagain · 21/09/2021 23:13

Thanks for posting in the job titles.
There are people with v relevant backgrounds. It's interesting that there are ppl who have been involved in courts that deal with children. I think that's quite an impressive and significant list. I wonder what influence it'll have, and what the backlash will look like.

MattDamon · 21/09/2021 21:27

Got chills reading it. Brilliant stuff.

Hoping4second · 21/09/2021 21:25

Hapnotherapeute is basically touch therapist (as in cuddle your baby and you'll feel better). So yeah, loads of pseudo-scientific bollocks. But that particular person, Catherine dolto, wrote several bestselling books on babies, young children, education etc. Most people will have one of her books somewhere in their house, the household name trumps the silly job title. Imho.

daringdoris · 21/09/2021 21:24

This is excellent! Have just read it all out loud in French to my (longsuffering and French) partner!

So good to read such clear common sense.

Newchallenge · 21/09/2021 20:57

Wow. Strong language. I am pleased to see it.

Anotheruser02 · 21/09/2021 20:55

This grip generates an anti-social and accusatory discourse, a specific idiom or even a newspeak is imposed on the entourage. The speeches of these young people are often stereotyped as if they had lost all critical thinking (which is a characteristic of hold).

Wow stunningly accurate.

PickAChew · 21/09/2021 17:18

Haptotherapy sounds quite French!

"Haptotherapy | Haptonomy and Haptotherapy" haptotherapy.com/haptotherapy/

PickAChew · 21/09/2021 17:13

Chrome offers a (clunky) translation.

Clunky or not, they are not mincing their words.

We denounce this kidnapping of childhood. Today it is urgent to inform the greatest number of citizens, of all professions, of all stripes, of all ages, on what could well appear tomorrow as one of the biggest health and ethics scandals, which we would have watched happen without saying a word: the commodification of children's bodies. Because by persuading these children that a sex has been "assigned" to them at birth, and that they can freely change it, we make them patients for life: consumers for life of hormonal chemicals marketed by pharmaceutical companies, consumers recurring more and more surgeries in pursuit of the chimerical dream of a fantasized body.

AnotherEmma · 21/09/2021 16:49

@Manderleyagain

Sorry how do you translate ? I want to see the job titles of the signatures. What kind of ppl are they?
Copy and paste into translate.google.com

Endocrinologist-gynaecologist
Philosopher
Neurosurgeon
Honorary magistrate, former president of the children's courts
Historian, writer
Philosopher, professor at the Sorbonne
Clinical psychologist
Lawyer
Lecturer
Professor of medicine and head of maxillofacial surgery
Lesbian feminist activist
Lawyer, feminist activist
Haptotherapist (no idea what that is!)
Psychoanalyst
Child psychiatrist
Co-founder of AMQG ("measured approach to gender issues among young people")
Classics professor, secular activist
Emeritus professor of child and adolescent psychiatry
Computer scientist, feminist
Director of the radio programme "the revolution will be feminist"
Sociologist, member of the editorial board of Temps modernes (Modern Times)
Former head of endocrinology and reproductive medicine
Paediatrician
Linguist
Former president of Bobigny Children's Court
Anthropologist and professor of transcultural psychiatry

(I haven't listed them all as there are lots the same/similar; lots of psychoanalysts and psychiatrists for example, as well as other lawyers, professors and lecturers)

IvyTwines2 · 21/09/2021 16:40

Given the 'Auld Alliance', I wonder if this criticism by the French of Scotland's policies around children will make the SNP pause and have a rethink?

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 21/09/2021 16:38

Good to see this. Now, if they could just go back in time and push Derrida and Foucault under a bus....

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2021 16:38

Signatures

endocrinologist, philosopher, neurosurgeon, magistrate, historian, clinical psychologies, advocate, [maitre de conferences?], professor of medecine, feminists, (haptothérapeute?),psychoanalist, paediatrician, doctors, more psychologists, psychoanalysts and advocates/lawyers, more professors of medecine if that's the right term psychiatrists, linguist ... there's a lot. That kind of thing?

IvyTwines2 · 21/09/2021 16:35

A powerful letter, particularly the paragraph about the "commodification" of these children. It's a crucial point, though it can get you deleted on here!

Jaysmith71 · 21/09/2021 16:35

So refreshing to see people in the land of cafe-intellectuals speaking such plain common-sense.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2021 16:32

by persuading these children that a sex has been "assigned" to them at birth, and that they can freely change it, we make them patients for life

Yep.

ScreamingMeMe · 21/09/2021 16:28

@Jaysmith71

My favourite Anglo-French translation confusion is

Les Anglo-Saxophones

Grin
Manderleyagain · 21/09/2021 16:22

Sorry how do you translate ? I want to see the job titles of the signatures. What kind of ppl are they?

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