Page 4 | Rosie Duffield front page of Sunday Times

Cismyfatarse · 2021-09-19T06:36:39+00:00

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/speaker-steps-in-over-online-threats-to-female-labour-mp-jnhbrcgv5?shareToken=230ac061798cd2f7a698da9afbc6fbe4 This should allow people to read it. Front page, no less. Starter texting to see if she is OK is not good enough but he doesn't seem to be pulled up on that.

FlyingOink · 19/09/2021 16:36

For those who don't know, it's a meme...

Rosie Duffield front page of Sunday Times

FlyingOink · 19/09/2021 16:35

But sir, that's my emotional support rape threat

Artichokeleaves · 19/09/2021 16:25

When they respond on their only outlet - Twitter - go to press and say you’re being threatened for preaching how dangerous they are.

Fgs India.

When death threats, rape threats, DIGF, selfies with swords and machetes are how they respond on their only outlet, poor little sausages..... ?

yes you muppet, they are definitely choosing to make themselves look dangerous! It's not other people's problem to reframe them into a reality they'd like a bit better, they have to take responsibility for the actions of their own community!

Where are the tweets denouncing and separating from the violent, appallingly abusive misogynist ones?

Where is the statement from Stonewall that they absolutely do not support kerbstomping or raping or murdering women into compliance?

Artichokeleaves · 19/09/2021 16:21

I really am done arguing over the trivialities, 'lack of access to the press' and 'painting exclusively as bad' is taking hyperbole to the extreme.

No.

This is about female rights to not have to give their rights to males. On the grounds that the males matter more than they do. That's it. That's all.

There is no way to spin this to sound like something good. It isn't. When getting your desired thing requires forcibly taking it away from someone else, then yes, you are doing something wrong. This is basic nursery manners. Do a bit of reciprocal recognition of female people as equally human and we might get somewhere.

ScreamingMeMe · 19/09/2021 15:58

@Helleofabore

Have to laugh at I.Willoughby’s tweet about the front page.

^Take a section of society with zero access to the press. Paint them exclusively as bad. When they respond on their only outlet - Twitter - go to press and say you’re being threatened for preaching how dangerous they are.
The Rosie Duffield story in short @Keir_Starmer^

Ummm… so I.Willoughby is not getting enough press at the moment then? Aww. What a shame.

Errr I think it's how some of you are responding that is the issue, India. Or do you think that's acceptable?

merrymouse · 19/09/2021 15:39

@ScreamingMeMe

Oh, Mishy: 1000s of screenshots of violent threats on twitter, Maria Machalan being attacked, Julie Bindle being neay attacked, TRAs kicking the windows of a women's meeting, porn being posted to JK Rowling and most recently a TRA charging at a woman screaming "Witch! Witch! Witch!" rather prove you wrong.

Yes - Rosie Duffield might be downplaying the risk, but we have seen the tweets and videos of activists physically threatening women at meetings.

Whatever the motivation the threat is real.

andyoldlabour · 19/09/2021 15:28

How can Jess Phillips be shadow minister for domestic violence, when she was the one trying to downplay the sexual assaults which took place in Cologne and other German cities?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35440954

merrymouse · 19/09/2021 15:17

Take a section of society with zero access to the press. Paint them exclusively as bad.

Men?

JustSpeculation · 19/09/2021 14:22

@MishyJDI

Usual Time beat up on trans activists being a threat, when its just rubbish. Even Duffield says it in the article:

"Duffield, who chairs the Women’s Parliamentary Labour Party, took the decision not to attend conference after being advised it was “not a good idea”. She said: “I mainly took the decision not because I really thought I was going to be attacked, but because I did not want to be the centre of attention."

Shame she is not attending, as she would quite rightly be challenged on her exclusionary views. Pity.

Would she be challenged? With things like arguments and reasons and such like? Or would she just be shouted down and sloganed at? Would she be listened to and responded to? I doubt it.

Slogans are not arguments. They do not challenge. Challenging involves addressing someone's ideas and giving your reasons for why you think they are false.

And before I get told to "educate myself", I have been doing just that for 18 months now, and I have yet to find a single coherent argument underlying the assertion that trans x are x except in the most metaphorical and fictional way.

beastlyslumber · 19/09/2021 14:17

"the most serious crime imaginable"? So... Duffield was murdered? What? Is Lisa Nandy just thick?

There's really no support for Duffield from within the party at all, is there?

RoyalCorgi · 19/09/2021 13:49

[quote Adviceneeded54321]Does the bbc not usually feature the Times front page? Or just today?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-58612636[/quote]
I don't know the answer to that but I regularly listen to the newspapers review on Broadcasting House (R4) and it's a constant source of irritation that they never mention any coverage of the trans issue. I had high hopes that today with the Duffield story on the front page of the Sunday Times, it might come up...but no. I wonder if it's deliberate.

Helleofabore · 19/09/2021 13:44

Have to laugh at I.Willoughby’s tweet about the front page.

^Take a section of society with zero access to the press. Paint them exclusively as bad. When they respond on their only outlet - Twitter - go to press and say you’re being threatened for preaching how dangerous they are.
The Rosie Duffield story in short @Keir_Starmer^

Ummm… so I.Willoughby is not getting enough press at the moment then? Aww. What a shame.

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 19/09/2021 13:43

@Franca123

Jess Phillips is a traitor to women. Coward.

I think thats a bit harsh. As a woman she also needs to practice self preservation and I get the feeling it's difficult to be a woman in the Labour Party right now.

Rosie Duffield has been a survivor of abuse in the past, she sees straight through the bullshit and the tactics used against her and probably gives less of a fuck.

Franca123 · 19/09/2021 13:37

Has the Observer even covered this story?

Franca123 · 19/09/2021 13:36

Jess Phillips is a traitor to women. Coward.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/09/2021 12:41

@YetAnotherSpartacus

It's as if this issue has allowed all of the misogynists to say "YES!!!!!!!, FINALLY we have permission to hate women".

Sad but true. Totally. Which is no debate is awash with MRA’s.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/09/2021 12:39

Thanks for the share token.

I used to really like Jess Phillips. Now my feelings are mixed. Perhaps she would be less spineless if Kier Starmer showed some balls. Not so sure I’d put myself in the firing line though. She wants good to come of the country.

Didn’t KS pluck a few splinters out of his arse from all the fence sitting by declaring TWAW or did I dream that?

Helleofabore · 19/09/2021 12:31

@YetAnotherSpartacus

It's as if this issue has allowed all of the misogynists to say "YES!!!!!!!, FINALLY we have permission to hate women".

You are not wrong Yetanotherspartacus. You are not wrong.

Lessthanaballpark · 19/09/2021 12:18

Usual Time beat up on trans activists being a threat, when its just rubbish

So, all the threats on terfisaslur.com are just made up then?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 19/09/2021 11:59

It's as if this issue has allowed all of the misogynists to say "YES!!!!!!!, FINALLY we have permission to hate women".

Alekto · 19/09/2021 11:22

[quote Waternoice]What I find very odd is that The Sunday Times is not included on this morning’s edition of the online BBC newspaper headlines. It’s always there, Unless I’m very mistaken.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-58612636[/quote]

Just came to say the same thing. It does appear that the BBC has omitted to show The Sunday Times front page because of their ideological capture! Honestly, their anti-women stance disgusts me.

Imnobody4 · 19/09/2021 10:43

Waternoice
They had the front page on The Papers BBC news last night, I watched the early edition but it wasn't discussed.

3GreenPullups · 19/09/2021 10:34

Thanks for the share token OP.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 19/09/2021 10:30

it's really hitting the mainstream now innit?

it's going to take a while for the wheels to fully fall off, but they will

so sorry for what's happening to Rosie, it's shit. I think I'll send her a card. showing some solidarity is the only thing I can think of to thank her for her bravery

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 19/09/2021 10:28

Great to see this this morning.

The Labour Party is dripping with misogyny isn't it?