Rosie Duffield front page of Sunday Times

Gc believe trans people can't change sex.

Do you believe they can, @anaily? How does this happen?

They get to be misogynistic, and not only do they not get reprimanded for it, they get support.

I see anaily is still repeating trope from the activist play book.

The complete disconnect that calling women transphobic for claiming that they have needs to be addressed too and that making law changes to accommodate males who transition causes conflicts to the rights for women, yet believing that if some woman and girls are negatively affected by that conflict, that is acceptable, it is in no way anti-female is clear. The disconnect is there but you cannot acknowledge it.

I mean even yesterday we also had a vocal activist state in Scotland that a spike in murders of homosexual people was an ‘acceptable price’ to pay for trans people achieving their aims? Do you honestly agree with Sophie-Grace Chappell?

Do you understand that currently the activists you are supporting are stating there are acceptable levels of increased harm to others, particularly women and children, to achieve their aims? How is that not ‘anti-woman’ and ‘anti-children’?

Gc believe trans people can't change sex. I personally don't care, I'll still respect trans people's identity even so, it's the decent thing to do.

Knowing that people can’t change biological sex and respecting transpeople’s rights are not mutually exclusive. TRAs have framed it that way to squash debate. Don’t be fooled by that.

Are you religious? Do you only respect people who have the same religion and beliefs as you? It’s a bizarre world if you have to believe in a person’s God yourself in order to believe that that person is worthy of respect.

And equating GC with homophobia? Ironic considering the circumstances. A gay man being hounded out of pride by TRAs? Lesbian women being told that to not want to have PIV is transphobic?

Your motivation seems to be about being nice. And that’s fine. I’m with you. But don’t lie. You don’t believe that a person can change from XY to XX anymore than we do. That doesn’t mean you can’t be nice to transpeople. They deserve acceptance and freedom yes, lies no.

Gc believe trans people can't change sex.
True, in the same way I believe that I can't sail off the end of the flat world.
Or that our planet doesn't circle round the earth.

It is a belief in basic observable science.

Obviously men can choose to live their life as women, with the typical trappings associated with the opposite sex and vice versa.
No can actually change sex however.
All that is possible is adopting a different gender.

It’s a real problem that if a woman is expressing a view, about feeling attacked as a woman by men, whether they are trans or not…

And is then threatened to a scale where she is advised that attending a conference as an elected speaker is a security risk.

THAT is the problem here. Not what she said or didn’t say.

What I find disgusting about the Rosie Duffield situation is yet again a woman has discussed receiving threats and the usual high profilr men have taken that as an invitation to direct even more abuse at her.
I bet they were all posting in support of Me Too and yet when in reality when a woman is targeted they cannot wait to double down on the bullying and abuse. It's absolutely sickening.
And I hope when the tide turns and they try to pretend they were supportive of women that they are rightly held to account for being the bullying misogynists that they are.

As always, you seem to have very little knowledge of the Equality Act 2010, I particular the range of single sex exemptions allowed by law and seem to forget (again) that there are 9 protected characteristics under the Equality Act, one of which is sex. Despite Stonewall's persistent campaigning, sex remains a protected characteristic. Self ID in particular destroys the protections of single sex spaces because they are no longer single sex spaces - they are then mixed sex spaces.

We do not 'believe that trans people can't change sex'. We know they can't because sex is immutable - again, your belief does not become reality through sheer repetition. Trans people are welcome to their own identity, rights, safety, etc but they cannot take women's identity, rights and safety.

Who are the TRA? Do they have names or places?

Gc believe trans people can't change sex. I personally don't care, I'll still respect trans people's identity even so, it's the decent thing to do. Your personal beliefs doesn't give you freedom to mistreat others, for example homophobic beliefs don't give freedom to mistreat gay people.
That's the same logic as edl - they aren't anti immigration, they are pro British, or kkk isn't racist, they are pro white. When you come off as fighting a minority group, you come off as anti-(that group). Trans have been included in all spaces for a long time, kicking them out is viewed as anti trans. If your approach was creating spaces for gc people only, then I'd see that as pro gc, as that doesn't go against anyone, it's advocating for gc spaces which isn't anti anything. If that makes sense of my pov.

Anaily,

You are still showing that you -

• Don't understand what the term gender critical means
• Seem to think that people saying 'sex is immutable' is a value judgement, it's not. Its simply biological fact. You cannot force people to believe falsehoods because that happens to be your belief.
• are following the party line that GC means that women who are fighting against the erosion of single sex spaces are anti - trans. They're not. They're pro - woman. By your own reasoning, you yourself are anti woman.

The problem is that when people talk about being opposed to GC beliefs/RD/JKR/MF because they support trans rights, it makes the average person, who is new to the debate, think that GC beliefs are anti-trans.

That's my pov/angle, gc is just attacking and restricting trans people's lives. Gc just boils down to "you can't change sex" and that only applies to trans, which they see as an attack on them. That makes gc hostile to trans, hence the backlash by those declaring themselves gc as they are anti trans.

Emily Maitliss on Newnight ( Monday) managed to slip in a question about why any woman should be fearful about attending conference. Labour man declined to answer.

I'm on Rosie Duffield's side here. Only women have a cervix is not hate speech, truth cannot be. The truth is just the truth.

The problem is that when people talk about being opposed to GC beliefs/RD/JKR/MF because they support trans rights, it makes the average person, who is new to the debate, think that GC beliefs are anti-trans.

I mean I know that’s exactly what the extremists want people to believe but it’s infuriating because their strategy has been so successful.

I really hope people delve deeper and realise that GC is not transphobic but just a simple belief that biological differences matter in certain issues, which is basically what the majority of people know to be true.

Well done Lindsay Hoyle and shame on the senior politicians who keep silent. We cannot expect women to participate in public life if they put themselves and their families in danger as a result. Well done RD

I wonder if that’s indicative of the difference in the demographics using social media and local media news/print?

This is a massive issue, personally I'd divide people specifically into Twitter users and non-Twitter users. The Labour Party found out about this phenomenon in the last GE, but hasn't addressed it at all.

Twitter is representative of Twitter, not of public opinion in general. And not just on progressive or cultural issues either. There's something particular about that platform that attracts people convinced theirs is the prevailing view. Maybe it's the ability to block entire swathes of people from interacting with you?

Well done Rosie and the Sunday Times for covering this so prominently. I loved her T-shirt as well!

Not me, obviously.

And I love her a little bit more for handing out 'never kissed a Tory' stickers at Pride 🥰

I'm glad some people are finally siding with Rosie publicly.

This is the bashing she got from her local council leader recently. If he thought being nasty and vindictive would win him kudos or more votes, then I think he misjudged the public mood. Calling her transphobic hasn't changed my view on RD but it has made me see him as an opportunist misogynist.

www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/i-can-be-a-conservative-gay-and-leader-at-the-same-time-253672/

Another Labour MP, Pat McFadden, has spoken out in support of Rosie.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/19/labour-mp-appalled-that-rosie-duffield-feels-unable-to-attend-conference?__twitter_impression=true