How can people think this is OK? I just don't get it!

The atmosphere would change I agree, and top of that you're being gaslit. You'd have to sit there with a violent predatory man among you and pretend you agree it's a woman. It's the ultimate gotcha for misogynists to play on women.

As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of women in prison are there for non violent reasons. That's not to say that women cannot be violent or shouldn't be punished for their crimes, but I would imagine the atmosphere in a women's prison is vastly different/ more relaxed etc.

That all changes as soon as you allow men into them, not to mention sexually violent men. It's disgraceful.

"The criteria for the exception is also poorly defined, and the risk assessment is often based on speculation and stereotypes, she said, explaining that the result is some trans women languish in men’s prisons, where they are more likely to be subjected to violence and harassment from both inmates and guards."

So the common risk denominator for both women and transwomen is men. So how about we fucking deal with male violence in the prison estate rather than shifting that burden onto vulnerable women. FFS. It makes me absolutely rage. Systematic misogyny.

There must be some powerful people behind this…..

As a Canadian, I think people are not protesting firstly because there is very, very little coverage in the nationwide press about this. It’s not going to be all over the CBC for example.

Secondly, our educational system trains us to go along with the majority, follow the rules, stay in your place, and don’t offend anyone. Heaven forbid we offend men by telling them they can’t go to women’s prisons.

It's not just the fact that they think women in prison should have the risk of rape as part of their sentence, but that they think rapists should be rewarded with a ready supply of victims instead of being punished.

Moreover I suspect an underlying current of vindictive "well they deserve what they get

It's not even underlying. I've told many people about this but two replies stick in my mind
'Huh so what it's just women in prison, I'll never be in that position and if they didnt do the crime then they too wouldn't be in prison'
This from a reasonably educated woman who simply cannot see that she would ever ever end up in prison.

And
'Men get raped in prison too'
Which apart from being a completely different dynamic doesn't mean we should all race to the bottom here.

I wonder if a Trudeau loss would be the start of turning this around or if it's already beyond the party political level and the incoming Canadian government would make some non-committal statements but essentially leave things as they are.

Do we have any solid stats on male criminals identifying as women in countries/regions that allow them into female prisons?

Labour MP Lisa Nandy is actually on record saying she believes this kind of thing happening is OK.

I expect he would be viewed as a man if he did the same thing to Sophie Trudeau, or any of Canada's wealthy elites.

Does no one, members of government, the media, women’s groups the general public in Canada ever challenge the situation there? I hear situations like this a lot in Canada but never hear of any pushback or protests?

Do they not realise they are now going to have to build more women’s prisons to allow for the sudden increase in inmates? I know they don’t give a fuck about our safety, maybe the financial implications might cause them to rethink this?

Oh that poor woman: RIP.
Despicable men- they must be laughing at the justice system and people tying themselves in knots trying to sort this. Appalling.

Statistics alone should be making it clear to people there's something totally dodgy going on. Hugely elevated rates of suddenly realising you're trans among male sex offenders and violent offenders hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm come on it can't be that hard to see!

The obvious answer is trans prisons or totally unconnected trans wings and there is no reason why that can't happen. They should build them and make sure all trans-identifying prisoners go to them (or have the option to stay with their own sex). Then track the stats again and see if the same trend continues.

That second link... It's shocking that these people seem to have absolutely no common.sense or understanding. These violent and experienced criminals are easily pulling the wool over their eyes.

And on so many of these threads you get people basically saying that it serves the female right for committing a crime and being sent to prison….honestly shocking

That poor, poor woman. What despicable creatures both of the perpetrators are.

Love to Rhoderia's children and husband. I cannot imagine what they've been through

And no OP, you're not unreasonable at all to be outraged at this. They are clearly calculating and lacking morality and remorse - just look at how carefully crafted their attempts at a legal defence were. When that didn't quite work they have declared themselves trans to access a woman's prison. Utterly sickening.

It may well be hell for TW in mens prisons.

But that can be addressed, perfectly, properly, in a way that totally solves the problem, without making female prisons hell for female prisoners.

Why is that not an acceptable solution?

Because it isn't about safety. It's about the right of access to female humans as a resource that male humans have entitlement to. Female consent and female collateral damage is not considered worth considering.

Male supremacism. You cannot call this anything else.

I've been really shocked and disappointed by how little society cares about women in prison. I had no idea people had such little regard for them.

I saw this case on Twitter earlier and I'd like to say I can't believe it but these are daily events now. The thing about totalitarianism is that its adherents can see the injustices and cruelties enacted in its name but they think its ultimate goal is worth it. Nobody is fooled by this man but there are people who will overlook the unfairness and danger here because getting everyone to chant 'Trans Women Are Women!' is more important to them. It's a men's rights movement.

We're also asked to believe that men's prisons are utter hell for transwomen. I reckon it was hell for many old school transsexuals, but the authorities need to ask themselves why so many men declare they are women only once in the system. The benefits obviously outweigh any risks.

Very few people think this is Ok. But it is the result of well funded TRA groups capturing governments, organisations and charities to pretend there will be no problems. And of course rampant misogyny that is not listening to women. The argument about surgery or not is irrelevant . Men can still be dangerous to women whatever their identity or if they have undergone feminisation surgery. Isn’t the election in Canada this week?