Ed Davy on R4 Today - there should not be safe places for women

'Kate Coleman reads a statement from a former female prisoner about gender self-ID'

(the woman who brought the Judicial Review)
8 Sept 2021

"Being in prison with male prisoners you always feel on edge. You know something can happen at any time. We know that they're not women. They're physically threatening and aggressive.

I was sexually assaulted and I'm not the only woman who has been.
They haven't had surgery and they exposed themselves.

One of them had been told he couldn't shower at the same time as us women. He made a formal complaint and said that this was a breach of his human rights. So now he is allowed to shower with us and because he now has that right the other males have that right too. There's only a shower curtain between us, and he moves the curtain so we can all see his penis when he's washing himself or shaving his legs. This is disgusting and I think it is disgusting that the prison allows this.

But we can't complain about anything. These males are very well protected and it feels like our rights as women just don't count. We have to call them she and her and have to use their female names.
If we don't we are punished and lose our enhanced prisoner or D category status.

It's horrible to do that to women in prison. I can't understand how anyone can say that imprisoning males alongside women is the right thing to do.

The prisoner who attacked me was convicted of the most serious sexual offenses against girls and still has his penis.

Such an incredibly powerful statement. It beggars belief that in a country where people supposedly have human rights and people are falling over themselves to pander to the "rights" of rapists not to be "othered", that women, including many women who are already victims of sexual violence, can be subjected to institutional sexual abuse in this way, and treated as props for abusive men

If they can make you believe absurdities…

I am so sorry that you are all having to witness, experience and go through this cruel madness.
Why have we so many inept, stupid, inconsiderate politicians. They lack any kind of empathy towards women and this madness isn't confined to one party - LibDems, Greens, Labour, SNP, this cult like poison is running through all of them.

I suppose its good he said the quiet bit out loud and confirmed this is mens rights activism.

His timing is interesting though www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58591225

Gosh - letting that sink in - no places where someone like Ed Davey can't go if he states he's a woman:

A changing room of teenage girls changing for swimming
A girl's dormitory in a boarding school
The women's showers in a workplace
Any hospital room where a woman is undressed and being examined
The girls toilets in a school
Every women's refuge and rape crisis centre.
A woman being strip searched in a prison

And the rest.....
There's a name for men like this.

Sorry - he has thought about prisons. He is apparently just stupid.

He probably just thinks about toilets.

I’d love to hear his plan for mixed prisons.

ID "Pre-op transwomen in women's prison?"

ED "yeh, because I think some of the arguments that are put against this just don't understand the facts and experience. You know, transpeople are some of the most discriminated against in our society. They suffer violence. They suffer harassment."

'Kate Coleman reads a statement from a former female prisoner about gender self-ID'
(the woman who brought the Judicial Review)
8 Sept 2021

"Being in prison with male prisoners you always feel on edge. You know something can happen at any time. We know that they're not women. They're physically threatening and aggressive.

I was sexually assaulted and I'm not the only woman who has been.
They haven't had surgery and they exposed themselves.

One of them had been told he couldn't shower at the same time as us women. He made a formal complaint and said that this was a breach of his human rights. So now he is allowed to shower with us and because he now has that right the other males have that right too. There's only a shower curtain between us, and he moves the curtain so we can all see his penis when he's washing himself or shaving his legs. This is disgusting and I think it is disgusting that the prison allows this.

But we can't complain about anything. These males are very well protected and it feels like our rights as women just don't count. We have to call them she and her and have to use their female names.
If we don't we are punished and lose our enhanced prisoner or D category status.

It's horrible to do that to women in prison. I can't understand how anyone can say that imprisoning males alongside women is the right thing to do.

The prisoner who attacked me was convicted of the most serious sexual offenses against girls and still has his penis.

How can the government say that putting him in prison with women is the right thing to do? It's not.

I'm out of prison now but I think about all the other women still in prison who have to live with these males. This is dangerous, disgusting and wrong.

and i would just add if it's lawful to imprison males who've been convicted of rape alongside women who are the victims of sexual violence, that the law has to change."

For the first time in my life I'm politically homeless .

Working with the tories didn't destroy the libdems for me. This misogynistic shite absolutely has, though (I make exception for our local councillors because they're pretty decent)

Dangerous fool.

Just listening now. The today program is still on so you can just dial back to 7.55 to hear it.

He certainly answered the question directly, twice, but then rushed on and fillibustered so Justin couldn't follow up on the implications of biological men in women's spaces.

He also thinks women just "don't understand the facts and experience [of transwomen]"

What am I required to understand? They're not female, that's literally all that matters, and women sometimes need female only spaces.

2020 Interview for LBC

Iain Dale "What do you think of J.K. Rowling's position on transwomen?"

Ed Davey "I don't agree with it."

ID "Why?"

ED "Because I think transwomen are women and transmen are men."

ID "Do you think that transwomen who haven't undergone surgery should be allowed in women's toilets for example?"

ED "yes"

ID "Pre-op transwomen in women's prison?"

ED "yeh, because I think some of the arguments that are put against this just don't understand the facts and experience. You know, transpeople are some of the most discriminated against in our society. They suffer violence. They suffer harassment."

Jfc. He's the leader? How utterly dispiriting. If Charles Kennedy was still around and took this heart sinking route I'd pack a sad little suitcase and go to live on an island.

"So there should not be spaces where biological males cannot go?"

"No, precisely"

At least he has made his position clear.

Does he think biological women should be allowed to be members of Gentleman's Clubs and inherit titles in front of their brothers?
I have a feeling the answer would be no...

Do you need something for that cough 😀

I’ll have forgotten her name again in a minute…

If it's not Tim Farron saying gays are going to burn in hell, it's this.

Tim Farron didn't say that. He's supported gay rights for decades. The woke lot that ousted him for being Christian are the same ones who put Swinson in and backed Moran.

I doubt Ed Davy really believes any of this crap but he wants to be leader and wants to unite the party so he has no choice but to toe their line. In many ways that's worse than if he were just an imbicile.

Oh, right. We know what the Lib Dems stand for now. I was never quite sure before.

That is awful to hear

Also, he tends to piggyback trans rights with racial issues. Rarely mentions trans rights alone. It's psychological manipulation. Who, after all, could deny the discrimination many minority race groups experience?