Ed Davy on R4 Today - there should not be safe places for women

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"

It's good advice, really.

Lib Dems are misogynists. My problem is that most of the political parties seem to be the same.

‘A man saying he's better than another man because he's prioritising men.’

Well put.

[quote R0wantrees]July 16th 2020
Ed Davey on LBC was unequivocal having listened to women's concerns about female single sex spaces being mixed sex and who feel threatened,

"I don't agree with them"

He also thinks women just "don't understand the facts and experience [of transwomen]"

twitter.com/LBC/status/1283844809405464576[/quote]
Would he like to point to any evidence that male people, TW or otherwise, have the faintest fucking scooby about the facts or experience of female people?

Sick to the back teeth of this flat out male supremacism.

I'm not a subhuman service unit mate, mate. Fuck off.

He only mentions Boris Johnson in his answer. He only uses this to point score against Boris. A man saying he's better than another man because he's prioritising men. His idea of a national debate is simply a way of trying to say he's better than Boris. Not a jot about anything any woman has made, only that Boris has made it "cultural" and Ed thinks it's "equality". For men obviously.

Two things that strike me as mind bending

1. how powerful the word “no” is when it is said by a male and how meaningless it is when said by a female.

2. the oppressive class dismantling the safeguarding protocols of their oppressed class and being cheered on by “liberals”

Used to love the Lib Dems.

Oh and 'state-managed spaces' includes everywhere subject to legislative control. Which is everywhere in the UK.

Legislation determines a great deal about what private companies are allowed to do, compelled to do, allowed and compelled not to do.

Oh, are the Lib Dem’s still going?

From the Independent article linked previously,
“If you’re a real statesman, if you want to bring people together, you don’t stir up divisions, the way that Johnson’s doing,” Sir Ed said.

Does Ed Davey really believe that he is a model of a "real statesman"? He perhaps models himself of the statesmen of yore who kept women disenfranchised.

The thing is trans women are currently allowed in all public spaces in the same way that everyone is allowed in all public spaces.

I’m not being banned from a public space because I don’t have a key to open an accessible loo or because the local primary school won’t let me join reception. People are ‘banned’ if they can’t make use of a service e.g. can’t access a train because there isn’t a lift. They aren’t being banned if they are able to use the stairs.

A good bit about violence against girls and women.

I was just scrolling in sounds to find the Ed davey bit on radio 4 and there was a really good bit on women’s hour

It was just on if you want to listen

Trans women should be allowed in all public places, Lib Dem leader Ed Davey says

Pink News-esque levels of misreporting. No one said they shouldn't

They also have some problems with getting candidates and its getting worse. The standard is dropping and their due diligence has dropped some clangers and my suspicion is that despite bringing in a new code of conduct to get candidates to sign up to, they are going to have some issues with that.

Hansard
Self-identification of Gender
Volume 649: debated on Wednesday 21 November 2018

(debate followed violent male sexual offender Karen White's conviction for sexually assaulting female prisoners whilst held in women's prison)

David T.C. Davies
"... People who might outwardly appear to be male and possess a male body would, if they legally redefined their gender, suddenly gain access to women’s toilets, hospital wards, changing rooms, refuges and prisons. They would have the right to undertake roles that people would normally expect to be done by someone of the same sex as those the service is being offered to, such as nurses or carers conducting intimate procedures, prison or police officers carrying out searches or staff working in refuges for victims of domestic violence.

We saw an obvious example a few weeks ago of what can happen, and will happen more regularly, when a convicted male sex offender who had redefined himself as female was able to insist on his right to be put into a women’s prison. Within a matter of days, he had carried out four sexual assaults on women. Another example was given to me by someone who was the victim of long-term sexual abuse as a young person." (continues)

Layla Moran
"... I want to place on the record my thanks to my Liberal Democrat colleague and friend, Helen Belcher, whom I have worked with closely on this matter. I also want to place it on the record that I am wholeheartedly behind the Government’s proposed reforms of the Gender Recognition Act 2004. I believe that they are proportionate and well thought through. It is time that Britain caught up with many other countries around the world—a point I will come to later." (continues)

David T. C. Davies
I hear what the hon. Lady is saying. May I bluntly ask her whether she would be happy sharing a changing room with somebody who was born male and had a male body?

Layla Moran
I believe that women are women, so if that person was a trans woman, I absolutely would. I just do not see the issue. As for whether they have a beard, which was one of the hon. Gentleman’s earlier comments, I dare say that some women have beards. There are all sorts of reasons why our bodies react differently to hormones. There are many forms of the human body. I see someone in their soul and as a person. I do not really care whether they have a male body."(continues)
hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-11-21/debates/BE06C5D4-E549-4F94-87B1-9B77F32EA155/Self-IdentificationOfGender

Very jarring with the reports on violence against women and girls.

Public is misleading, it's about state-managed spaces. (Be that through ownership, management, funding or policy control).

I’d a prison a public space?

Are toilets and changing rooms really public spaces?

I’d say a truly public space is somewhere that you would be allowed to put a camera.

Trans women should be allowed in all public places, Lib Dem leader Ed Davey says

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trans-women-lib-dem-ed-davey-b1921898.html

The Indy twists it a bit

On the same day as this:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58591225
Police must prioritise tackling violence on women

Tackling violence against women and girls should be as much of a priority as countering terrorism, a police watchdog has said.

I'd like him to come on here and tell us all why he doesn't think any women or girls should have any right at all to any single sex spaces.

If he states there is nowhere that biological males shouldn't go, but he also believes trans women are women, presumably he doesn't believe in biology anyway so he should have said 'there's no such thing' to Justin Webb's question.

The next general election is going to be a PR nightmare for the LDs.

Swinson was dire, but they also avoided some of the more bonkers stuff. Apparently membership is down 25% (not uncommon in mid terms but membership has been up for more than 6 years now). They normally trade off the back of local issues, but many of those who glue the party together are starting to age. They also have some problems with getting candidates and its getting worse. The standard is dropping and their due diligence has dropped some clangers and my suspicion is that despite bringing in a new code of conduct to get candidates to sign up to, they are going to have some issues with that. And a real nice lot of tabloid spreads.

The party are really struggling post brexit with any kind of messaging. What do they stand for? No one knows what the point in the LDs is.

If they continue going on about Brexit all they are doing is fighting yesterdays battle and not really having a vision of the future which is what voters will be looking for.

There is one route for them in making Nimbyism front and central as their key issue as Johnson is clearly going for gold with housing by setting Gove loose in the Department for Communities and Housing. The trouble with that, is its going to also alienate some younger people who desparately want to break out of Generation Rent.

So the party are going to have to manage an odd coalition of transactivists and aging NIMBYs.

I remain unconvinced by this as a serious political strategy.

Ed Davey just illustrates thr point well.

Did he miss the bit where women and girls are being abused, raped and killed in shocking numbers by those same biological men?

I suspect he doesn’t care/feels that is an attack in men.

The big glaring thing he doesn’t acknowledge is that the number of men in prison for sex related crimes is many times larger than the entire female prison estate. He has just given them all a route to women’s prisons which deal with a very different prison population.

Even if he couldn’t care less about women, he needs to explain how that is going to work logistically. Remember, acceptance without exception!

No lib dem is welcome on this woman's land, while that is what they think about us.

But do we really have to privatise privacy, while the disenfranchised masses are punished for their poverty by being gawped at and fearful in public? Risk being cast as cheap, naked entertainment in prison-Bedlams, for crimes as slight as non-payment of fines?

Sounds like an ultra-right wing 'punish the poor out of poverty' and 'terrorise women out of public life and into the protection/control of their husbands' regime to me.

How interesting that ED said these things on the same day that the recommendation that violence against women be treated as terrorism was reported.

Lib dems on the side of the terrorists eh?