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The judgment in Keira Bell's case will be given tomorrow

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MaudTheInvincible · 16/09/2021 19:19

The judgment of the Tavistock's appeal of the case will be given at 2pm.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/royal-courts-of-justice-cause-list/royal-courts-of-justice-daily-cause-list

Brave Keira. You have done so much to protect children from ideologically driven healthcare around the world. Your integrity and courage is inspiring and rare in this ridiculous day and age. 💚🤍💜

The judgment in Keira Bell's case will be given tomorrow
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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2021 14:11

Anyone 'celebrating' this should take a look at themselves. Why would you celebrate the suffering of another human being?

MonsignorMirth · 17/09/2021 14:11

Still appearing as a holding page for me?

RoyalCorgi · 17/09/2021 14:11

@YetAnotherSpartacus

Such a tragedy for young people.
Indeed. A tragedy for young people and everyone who cares about young people.
PiglingBlonde · 17/09/2021 14:11

Very interesting last sentence in the summary:
"Clinicians would be alive to the possibility of regulatory or
civil action which allows the issue of whether consent has been properly obtained to be tested in individual cases."

The next route will be claims against the Tavistock for damages on the basis that they didn't obtain proper consent.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/09/2021 14:10

Such a tragedy for young people.

MonsignorMirth · 17/09/2021 14:10

@Conniethesensible

HOORAY! Bell v Tavistock has been overturned in the Court of Appeal. This is a huge win for trans people, trans youth and their families in particular ♥️
Well, only if you believe trans people need to change their bodies. I think they should be free to be themselves as they are.
nauticant · 17/09/2021 14:10

The trans activists seem to be responding reasonably:

twitter.com/e_urq/status/1438852308058710020

Conniethesensible · 17/09/2021 14:08

HOORAY! Bell v Tavistock has been overturned in the Court of Appeal. This is a huge win for trans people, trans youth and their families in particular ♥️

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/09/2021 14:08

Had been overturned...

crumpet · 17/09/2021 14:08

Another period of repeated refresh…

MonsignorMirth · 17/09/2021 14:02

Was clicking around looking for the right place for the judgment (correct link posted above by shesellsseacats ) and had an interesting few minutes skim-reading stuff about Prince Philip's will...

Artichokeleaves · 17/09/2021 13:56

Thinking of you Keira Flowers Your courage has pulled all this out into the light and whatever the judgement, practice will have to shift.

Not least to keeping actual records. Still boggled by that one.

Cailin66 · 17/09/2021 13:47

No matter the judgement it doesn't end here today. Thinking of the the wonderfully brave Keira today.

ChattyLion · 17/09/2021 13:36

Have Flowers and Gin

Sophoclesthefox · 17/09/2021 13:36

i think you may be right, nauticant.

but whichever way things go, Keira has been amazingly courageous, it was the right thing to do to bring clarity to what is happening, and I admire her tremendously.

ChattyLion · 17/09/2021 13:35

[Flowers] Keira and Mrs A. Thank you for keeping going!

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/09/2021 13:35

Keira and Mrs A and her daughter Flowers

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 17/09/2021 13:33

Thinking of Keira today x

nauticant · 17/09/2021 13:32

Like others, I think the appeal with be successful and the decision of the lower court (the High Court) will be overturned. I think the basis for the overturning will be that the case was a judicial review and the lower court got drawn into thinking about right and wrong when they should have been considering whether the practice of the Tavistock was legal.

If I've guessed correctly, and I hope I haven't, there'll be huge celebrations by trans activists, Maugham will be intolerable, but after the party when they see where things stand, and when their demands for things to return to how they were end up being ignored, they'll realise that this wasn't about what a court decided but was about professionals being reminded of their responsibilities, in the context of growing public awareness, and exposure to sunlight. This genie won't be fitting back neatly into the bottle.

shesellsseacats · 17/09/2021 13:16

Desistence is extremely low according to NHS/GIC stats.

What stats? Can you point us to them please.

shesellsseacats · 17/09/2021 13:14

The judgment should be here at, or soon after 2pm.

Keeping everything crossed for the right result!

www.judiciary.uk/judgments/bell-and-another-v-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-and-others/

catzwhiskas · 17/09/2021 12:59

Any news yet?

ArabellaScott · 17/09/2021 12:19

Come ON, allies! Bring your A-game so we can all have a grown up conversation about how children and young people with issues involving their gender can best be supported. Isn’t that what we all want?

I’m very fed up of poorly constructed, disingenuous scolding in place of serious debate on huge issues.

Seconded. It's insulting, and dangerous, not only to women but to trans people and children with dysphoria.

Give us robust, properly researched evidence. Give us rational, thought through arguments. Give us any semblance of an open discussion.

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