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I’m still stewing

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MordenLarch · 15/09/2021 22:32

Longish one - apologies in advance.

So several months ago we had an (online only due to restrictions at the time) event at work.

There were talks about women in the field I’m in. After the talks there was an online ‘board’ where we were invited to add the names of women we find inspiring and why.

Lots of people wrote their female family members and inspirational female public figures.

I wrote a variety of women I find inspirational and reasons why. I then wrote JK Rowling for standing up for women’s rights. I then thought ‘fuck it’ and put Kathleen Stock, Allison Bailey and Helen Joyce etc.

I thought no more about it, but then saw later that my JK Rowling had been removed (along with a JK that had been added by someone else). Helen Joyce etc weren’t removed presumably because no one knew who they were.

Even though there was nothing even vaguely contentious I’d written, i heard later that my comments on the board were deleted as they were a “transphobic dog whistle” and potentially very offensive etc etc / unsafe space etc

Apparently JK Rowling was permissible on the board only as long as her writing was referenced. Some of the organisers’ suggested inspirational women pictured on the board included the one off Orange Is The New Black and Munroe Bergdorf. I find that offensive as the latter has said some very objectionable things about gay people on the past (and the rest, which is an obvious point about womanhood I probably can’t say here).

Anyway, we will soon have a staff survey coming up where I can probably mention how ridiculous this whole thing is and how I find it sexist, offensive, 1984-esque etc. Should I bother, or let it go? With this and several other things I feel like I’m up against an impermeable wall of guano at the moment

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RoastChicory · 16/09/2021 06:57

It may also have helped that I sent a couple of them a copy of Trans

RoastChicory · 16/09/2021 06:56

Do it. My company has had a Trans drive over the last year, presumably to earn extra points in the Stonewall misogny index.

I was one of a few people who complained anonymously in the annual staff survey that we no longer collected data on sex, and put pressure on colleagues to declare their faith/pronouns.

Senior management picked up on it and noted that some colleagues said they were feeling silenced. They have since softened their stance - and even noted that some of Stonewall’s demands were extreme.

gncq · 16/09/2021 06:50

Do it.
If they "cancel" your support of JKR who is standing up for women's rights, they are being blindingly misogynistic and obviously don't support women or women's rights. It's making you feel unsafe that you won't be able to speak about women's rights in this company without being cancelled yourself or have unfounded accusations thrown your way.

nauticant · 15/09/2021 23:08

If you do bother, and you need to reflect on this before deciding which way to go, I'd be tempted to go for the classic "if X is going to level the accusation of transphobia at JKR, a very serious accusation indeed, then to justify this there needs to be a specific example of something she herself has said that is transphobic".

PaleBlueMoonlight · 15/09/2021 22:46

Do bother.

Your post has made me wonder who I would choose and why…

Anotheruser02 · 15/09/2021 22:45

I would mention as an impinging freedom of thought point.

You referenced a positive in JK Rowlings actions, you didn't celebrate transphobia. People need to regain critical thinking and look things up properly, like read the fucking essay that was so 'transphobic' and then make a decision.

I'm so sick of the thick virtuous.

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