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Husband thinks I'm transphobic

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plesiosaurus · 15/09/2021 10:55

I'm devastated.
My husband has just said he believes trans women are women, and that my gender critical views are abhorrent. He compared it to thinking that all Muslims are terrorists, and said that I'm bigoted and transphobic. I'm struggling to see how we go forward from this to be honest.

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RoastChicory · 15/09/2021 11:21

Break it down for him:

  1. Does he think TW are actually women, or is it that they should be treated as though they are women?
  1. If the latter, are there any circumstances where this may not apply. For example, sports such as rugby and weightlifting?
  1. Should there be any gate-keeping, or is it purely self-id? Different rules for those who have had full genital surgery v, Karen White? What about a teenage MTF who wants to share a room with your daughter on a school trip? Should they be treated exactly the same as any other girl?

I personally think the existing legal compromise is not too bad. Trans people are protected from discrimination and harassment. Some are allowed to be treated as actual females - but only after a medical gatekeeping process.

plesiosaurus · 15/09/2021 11:21

@FFSFFSFFS No, he wouldn't do that. He would consider it unacceptable. Which is why I can't understand why he doesn't see it as unacceptable for an intact trans woman to do the same.

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plesiosaurus · 15/09/2021 11:19

He disagreed with Laurel Hubbard competing against women. I thought I was getting somewhere with that argument, but it seems that I wasn't.

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FFSFFSFFS · 15/09/2021 11:17

So he would go into a changing room full of teenage girls and women and change because he knows that he won’t assault them?

He’s a prince among men

Helleofabore · 15/09/2021 11:17

As a start, you could ask him about Laurel Hubbard and the MMA fighter in the news this week.

Also, does he think you would be transphobic for insisting on a female nurse or doctor doing intimate examinations? What about for your daughter?

You can also ask how he would feel if your daughter had been the one in the WiSpa incident. Would he really be accepting of a male sex offender having their erect penis at your daughter’s eye level?

You might discover that he has his limits. And if he is forced to understand the wide range of ramifications of accepting that mantra, he might not be so comfortable with it. Or he may be well entrenched.

Jack Appleby made a comment once that is very pertinent. Along the lines of is it plausible that left wing lesbians become right wing sympathisers or that something else is at play here. Good luck finding your way forward OP.

FFSFFSFFS · 15/09/2021 11:16

Ahhhh so he’s a men’s right activist then

FindTheTruth · 15/09/2021 11:16

Women's rights are not your husbands to remove and it's not hateful to stand up for them.

Polkadotties · 15/09/2021 11:16

It’s really sad that you can’t discuss feminist issues on a feminism board without posts being deleted.

Outbutnotoutout · 15/09/2021 11:16

I'm assuming he would happily date a trans women then, given that they are women.

Is he happy for his, wife, mum, sisters, daughter to share a changing room with a male bodied woman?

Mumoftwoinprimary · 15/09/2021 11:15

[quote plesiosaurus]@FFSFFSFFS Not a chance in hell that he would. [/quote]
Then he is transphobic. Tell him you find him disgusting and that he is like a terrorist. Over and over again.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 15/09/2021 11:15

Have you discussed the difference between describing reality and applying value judgments to the reality that you describe. Being able to accurately articulate the difference between a transwoman and a woman, is not the same as judging one group or the other as being better or worse.

plesiosaurus · 15/09/2021 11:14

He said that it's wrong to mistrust all men, and if he said that he mistrusted all women I'd accuse him of misogyny. He just won't see the fundamental difference that means women are instinctively mistrustful of men they don't know - the risk is not comparable!

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FindTheTruth · 15/09/2021 11:13

Questions for your husband

the Staniland question: “Do you believe that male-sexed people should have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?”

Wi Spa: Do you believe that Darren Agee Merager, 52 a sex-offender had a human right to go naked and partially erect into the spa, near a six year old girl? with naked females, girls, women and grandmas? Meager was ‘partially erect’ when he exposed himself. Also, he is a tier-one registered sex offender; 2018 indecent exposure over a women’s locker room incident at a swimming pool, two prior convictions of indecent exposure stemming from incidents in 2002 and 2003.

FFSFFSFFS · 15/09/2021 11:12

Ask him to explain why there are single sex spaces and why this magically dissapears?

RoastChicory · 15/09/2021 11:12

This is not akin to Islamophobia. Islamophobia is defined as hatred of Muslims, not atheism. I totally respect my Muslim colleagues right to believe what they do, and their wish to dress in a way that reflects their beliefs. But I do not share those beliefs.

I am exactly the same with my trans colleague. Happy for them to wear what they like, and call them as they request and to protect them from assault etc, but I do not believe they are actually a woman.

RoseisMadder · 15/09/2021 11:12

You could always wake up tomorrow and identify as a man. Change your name and pronouns, insist he is transphobic if he refuses to validate your gender and that he is now a gay man Grin

Polkadotties · 15/09/2021 11:12

Would love to know why my post has been deleted

FFSFFSFFS · 15/09/2021 11:11

Have you asked him the stanilans question? Because his position is that adult males with penises should be free to undress in the same changing room as your daughter. Ask him how he considers having this view is consistent with him being a good father. Is print it out and put it on the table tbh in black and white

zanahoria · 15/09/2021 11:10

Does he have a daughter or sister? (Or mother if not)

well he has a wife

Anothermothernamegame · 15/09/2021 11:10

@FFSFFSFFS

So he’d sleep with a tw then?
Came on to say this! He fucking knows they're not the same...
Fitt · 15/09/2021 11:09

Does he have a beard?

There's a great piece around somewhere addressing the woke bro who says TWAW and insults women. I can't find it.

Hopefully some one can. I would send it to him.

I've had a DS come out with the Muslim/terrorist line. He's just thoughtlessly repeating mantras.

RoseisMadder · 15/09/2021 11:09

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RoseisMadder · 15/09/2021 11:08

Has he closed all conversation on the subject?
You can either keep talking because frankly, it’s your protected belief and he should respect that
Or avoid the subject and accept you can’t discuss GC topics with him
Or LTB!
Not sure what I’d do. I’d be upset that my DP believed I was a bigot. I think I’d weigh up whether I could be patient and see if he peaks or just leave

plesiosaurus · 15/09/2021 11:08

@FFSFFSFFS Not a chance in hell that he would.

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JustSpeculation · 15/09/2021 11:07

Critical Reasoning: A Romp Through the Foothills of Logic for Complete Beginners by Marianne Talbot

This book looks interesting, and might help. Has he a birthday coming up?

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