How to approach the 'TW in a work loo' issue

Because, it is all about the rights for that transitioned male.

@Artichokeleaves I have read the thread. And pretty much all other threads whenever this comes up. My views on trans people have changed.

I don't think it's about safety in this specific instance it's about transitioning. In other words if your world view is that trans women are women then a trans woman has every right to use a female toilet

My world view is that people can dress as they like, and call themselves whatever they like but it’s not possible to change biological sex. Biological women have every right to single sex spaces, even if that hurts the feelings of biological men.

Multiple people have explained why this does not work for all female people.

If you can't be bothered to read or to discuss the actual problem, there's no point in addressing your posts just banging away on the same blunt point.

It is not all and only about the needs and the best interest of male born people.

Born male? Susceptible to male pattern violence. A bit like male baldness. Hope that helps.

I feel for you OP, even if this person is a colleague and may be perfectly nice, you are still entitled to a single sex space. What a pain, and in cases like this where all the male colleagues clearly know this person, why not continue to use the toilet appropriate for their biological sex?

I don't think it's about safety in this specific instance it's about transitioning. In other words if your world view is that trans women are women then a trans woman has every right to use a female toilet.

If the argument is that males who identify as transgender wouldn't be safe in the men's, the TRAs have an answer to that.

So the men in the building are so unsafe the trans woman can’t be expected to use the male toilets, but men are so safe it’s fine for them to use the woman’s toilets?

There’s nothing wrong with wanting a safe, single sex space to use the toilet.

The law firmly protects those who transition. If anyone causes them any problems in the male toilets due to their transition, they would have a rock-solid discrimination case.

Yes. There is a good solid piece of law to protect them. And if we follow the activists line, those males shouldn't have anything to worry about, but if something adverse happened, then the law would sort it out.

To think anything else is to paint males as being unable to control themselves and that is not being kind. We already know the rates of voilent crime committed by males, but it surely cannot apply in the work place, so ... no issue with them continuing to use the male facilities. Is there?

After all, if it is good enough for women to have to allow a subset of males into their single sex spaces knowing that the same proportion of those males will commit sex crimes in the same rate as other males, this decision is not based on safety is it?

What else can it be based on?

And why again do females have to give up their privacy for any male who feels they need to access female spaces?

They've since transitioned.

Meaning what, exactly?

The law firmly protects those who transition. If anyone causes them any problems in the male toilets due to their transition, they would have a rock-solid discrimination case.

They've since transitioned.

And this changes their sex how?

And this removes the female staff's need for privacy away from males how?

Having also had significant period incidences while at work and needing to be drying trousers in a female toilet, I most certainly do not want a male person in my toilets.

And strangely single cubicle toilets don't usually have the space in a tiny sink and the size of a hand dryer to dry clothes out. So, I guess that leaves females who have this issue with simply leaving for the day.

They're still a man VladimirsPoutine. And OP is still entitled by law to a single sex space.

And all because this colleague has been using the male toilets without incident and without fear and now wishes to use the female toilets as a male.

They've since transitioned.

All because your colleague would like to use a toilet in their workplace.

And all because this colleague has been using the male toilets without incident and without fear and now wishes to use the female toilets as a male.

Nice bit of downplaying there though.

I don't think a male colleague would do anything to me at work, whatever his inner identity.
They still shouldn't use the very few specific places set aside for women, and I won't use the specific provision for men.

I really like the manager's office, but I am not at liberty to say "I don't want to take my break in the staff canteen, I want to use your office because I think I'm management material anyway."

Is the concept of reasonable boundaries some rare, labyrinthine mystery to you daft TRA types? No wonder you're all always so confused and stressed about everyday life.

What do you think your trans colleague will do to you in the toilet?

What does the trans colleague think men will do to them in the toilet?

You don't get to sneer at only one party's concerns here. Unless you're a male supremacist.

I’ve worked in two organisations with single - sex loos ; a startup and a uni. Both were fine as they were wall to ceiling separate spaces with individual hand wash basins. I’m confused why buildings aren’t being updated rather than just expecting people to share existing spaces.

There's a central paradox here in that the only thing that meant that this practice of males using female facilities "undercover" was a remotely stable situation for decades was the extreme stigma to them doing so.

This stigma meant that only a very few males who decided that the least worst way of handling gender dysphoria was to attempt to pass as a woman would attempt it - and they would really attempt to pass, knowing that to be called out as a male would potentially endanger them.

They had to always leave there to be room to doubt - make sure it wasn't obvious to random strangers that they were male, so people would give them the benefit of the doubt. And they absolutely could not afford to misbehave or show male-typical behaviour.

With this stigma gone, there's no longer anything stopping any random male from just deciding they want women's places and stuff. Increased trans acceptance makes trans people getting to using opposite sex facilities far less tenable. It's no longer just a gender dysphoric minority, it's anyone who just wants to have a go.

And the acceptance has gone too far - declarations of "trans" now appear to be a free pass to misbehave as much as you like. It's effectively a "priest class" acting as an abuser magnet, like all previous unquestionable groups have been and always will be.

Women can no longer afford to be as lax on this as in the past. No more turning a blind eye. At this point, silence is complicity in a whole heap of abuses.

The balance has shifted - the risk to trans individuals has significantly reduced, while the threat to women due to males not being stopped from entering their spaces has greatly increased.

In an environment where males are running rape crisis centres, beating up women in sports arenas, and being locked up in female prisons, how can anyone not expect increasingly hardline resistance to the more minor intrusions? It's clear what being lax has led to.

What do you think your trans colleague will do to you in the toilet?

Seems to be very hard for some people to understand, but some women prefer not to be with males in enclosed spaces, especially where they are vulnerable. This is exactly why we have legislation to afford women the right to single sex spaces.