Marion Millar

All charges relating to the ribbon appear to have been dropped.

Where did you see this? I couldn't find it anywhere.

Which reached the level of absolute farce, when the person who threatened to burn her children alive in their beds is happily cracking on with life.

If we're going to worry about 'malicious communications' then there one is. Much, much worse than anything Marion's alleged to have said, where's the blues and twos and court case???

Or is this actually not about 'malicious communications' at all, but just intimidating, harassing and punishing a woman who dared to publicly speak out about women's rights from the current onslaught of men's rights activism? And largely intended to intimidate and scare off other women who might dare to speak up?

Because if so, it's really not working. I'm seeing women getting angrier by the day.

I have a number of friends living in central Scotland, some v close to Marion. Is there, somewhere, a succinct summary of her case I can share?

Im relatively well versed in the GC / self ID movement but if I wanted a user friendly intro to share?

suggestionsplease1

Women everywhere are being forced to be polite about their utter rage at their subjugation, violent intimidation and oppression.

This crowdfunding intimidation, is merely the latest.

Personally I couldn't care less if women eff and blind and call people every name under the sun, overflowing with fury.

It's time.

She is primarily accused of saying not very nice things about the officer who initially arrested her and allegedly threatened to take her kids into care.

Unless she directly incited people to violence, which I've certainly never seen from her (but have from many many TRAs), I can't see any reason why she or anyone else should be prosecuted for hate crime, however unpalatable their ^views.
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This is my position.

"She might have said something not very nice" is not a reason to involve the police, it's fucking beyond ridiculous in a country that's supposed to believe in freedom of speech and have laws to protect it. It's also a waste of time, money and resources.

The process seems to be designed to intimidate and persecute MM and have a "chilling effect" on all those who have similar GC views. All that for some tweets.

Just a reminder that 'hate crime' is not a thing. A hate crime is a crime that would still be a crime without the hate. The hate is an aggravating factor that would tend to lead to a heavier sentence.

I always enjoy disingenuous faux concern in the morning. So comforting.

It seems that people are jumping on a band wagon thinking they are supporting a GC movement when actually they could be supporting some quite hateful communications?

What do you think would justify this prosecution? I've followed Marion on Twitter for the entirety of the period of tweets in question. Unless she directly incited people to violence, which I've certainly never seen from her (but have from many many TRAs), I can't see any reason why she or anyone else should be prosecuted for hate crime, however unpalatable their views.

I was catching up with this on Twitter last night. Please bear in mind that some nefarious types are likely to try to set up fake crowd funder type accounts to part you from your cash. Stick to the official channels and follow their lead. This case is so heated that we should be extra careful our support is actually going where it is needed.

Good advice, for this and generally.

All charges relating to the ribbon appear to have been dropped. This case is now mainly about what MM posted about the arresting officer, a truly Kafkaesque situation were 'we will nick you for what you say when we nick you...'

And given that one of the tweets which was made public appears to have consisted of a suffragette ribbon tied to a fence. This has been called a 'hate crime' due to someone who seems to have a pathological fear of ribbons, likening it to a noose which was placed in the vague area of Glasgow where he worked. This was apparently so frightening that he has now declared his intention to leave Scotland.

Do people actually know the specifics of this case?

Yes. I do. As do many other women.

It seems that people are jumping on a band wagon thinking they are supporting a GC movement when actually they could be supporting some quite hateful communications?

I am confident that if this even gets to court, Marion will be found not guilty.

I'd find it odd if a prosecution was being brought to silence legitimate debate

It is decidedly odd, but legitimate debate is being silenced in all sorts of ways at the moment.

I'm surprised so many people seem happy to do this, I really don't think I'd want to put my money behind anything if I wasn't fully in the know about the exact charges and circumstances. But maybe people have this already and are happy with what they know?

This is generally the case yes.

The case still seems very obscure at the moment. And I know it's live so I'm not prompting for details or anything, just surprised if people are happy to support something they don't know full information about.

Of course you aren't . Just accept that many women follow these things closely so are more than aware of what is happening and what they are supporting.

I'd find it odd if a prosecution was being brought to silence legitimate debate.

Really? Kirkcaldy Police investigated 'women won't wheesht' stickers stuck on lampposts as a hate crime. Nothing offensive or threatening, simply the phrase 'women won't wheesht'. Given the institutional capture of major organisations in Scotland, being fed incorrect legal advice by Stonewall and other lobby groups, it wouldn't surprise me at all if legitimate discussion is being silenced.

I simply don't trust Police Scotland at all now.

The specifics of what people have said are irrelevant to those who want to hate and vilify women suggestionsplease1, as we saw so clearly with JK Rowling and Maya Forstater.

90% of what you read online about these three is just nasty lies. Your post stops short of that, just, but it's still full of spiteful inuendo. Unsurprisingly in your case.

Do people actually know the specifics of this case?

Nobody, including Marion, knows all the facts, because COPFS won't say. We assume from what we know that all we are left with are some witches with a bedsheet and comments made about the arresting officer.

Even the 'Malicious Communications' has been dropped because for that you have to prove intent, and they're going for some obscure clause of another act that speaks about causing alarm and distress.

(cont'd) I mean, he says they're "earning" the money from Stripe, but ultimately that money has to come from the donations, right?

As for 'hateful communications'...... I significantly doubt the case will be able to demonstrate any communications from Marion Millar that anywhere near approaches the appalling hate and threats of violence that she has been deluged with on Twitter. None of the writers of these awful communications appear to yet have been arrested.

Which is odd.

When he says "None of the donations that went to Marion are impacted in any way" is he technically correct (even as he's very very wrong in what he's doing because those fees wouldn't have been generated if people hadn't donated)?

It's all so messed up.

Surely when the facts of a case is obscure it is even more important that a woman has access to a fair trial and is not being treated as guilty before it even reaches court. Nor be subjected to threats, harassment or forced to sell her children's home to try and fund the case.

This certainly seems something that a women's forum would obviously be very much interested in.

Do people actually know the specifics of this case?

It seems that people are jumping on a band wagon thinking they are supporting a GC movement when actually they could be supporting some quite hateful communications?

I'd find it odd if a prosecution was being brought to silence legitimate debate.

I'm surprised so many people seem happy to do this, I really don't think I'd want to put my money behind anything if I wasn't fully in the know about the exact charges and circumstances. But maybe people have this already and are happy with what they know? The case still seems very obscure at the moment. And I know it's live so I'm not prompting for details or anything, just surprised if people are happy to support something they don't know full information about.

I was catching up with this on Twitter last night. Please bear in mind that some nefarious types are likely to try to set up fake crowd funder type accounts to part you from your cash. Stick to the official channels and follow their lead. This case is so heated that we should be extra careful our support is actually going where it is needed.

Is there truly no existing crowdfunding platform that isn't captured?

If so, then could we crowdfund (somehow or other...) to pay for someone to build a new platform? I have no idea what would be involved on the regulation side of things, but if it is becoming impossible to fund the women who need it, then we have to come up with something?

Or am I missing the point?