LGBT+ hitching their cause to autism and neurodiversity

It's become another situation where acceptance and understanding is a one-way street, with no reciprocation (ironically a feature of ASD, but also a feature of abusive dynamics).

I have definitely noticed this well it slapped me full on in the face when I posted a comment on SM I had massive amounts of abuse from Autistic adults in fairness I'd already read some warnings from SEN parents.

Apparently talking about your concerns and how your child is vunerable to abuse and that she is being let down by the education system so may not be able to function in the adult word makes me a terrible parent who is holding her back and she'd be better off without me.

Eventually I just deleted my comment as two of these adults just wouldn't stop.

It's scary as it will be exactly what happens if concerns were raised about gender ideology and Autism.

What really pisses me off is all the focus on gender ideology and the T and all the people bending over backwards and spending £££ yet they do fuck all to be inclusive or understand neurodiversity, I'm sure not fact checked 10% of the population is autistic.

My children are autistic. I wouldn’t want this type of crap anywhere near my kids. A lady I met through a Sen group has two children who are autistic - both teens. They now both have new names and have come out as the opposite sex. I had to grit my teeth not to ask on Facebook if “Jasmin” as a transwoman would be using the female toilets at high school. So many gushing comments about how wonderful it was. Preying on vulnerable children/adults IMO.

"Latching on and appropriating arguments and often turning them on the groups that came up with them is standard."

That's DARVOing on a group scale, isn't it?

It all comes back to power dynamics, in my opinion. Who has it, and who is prepared to manipulate and exploit in order to get it. Something that TUSLA should be massively aware of and familiar with.

I hate that autistic people are being preyed on and are being exploited by the radical elements of the trans movement. Just so many vulnerable children and adults.

I agree. It's so infuriating.

Latching on and appropriating arguments and often turning them on the groups that came up with them is standard.

First LGB
Then came feminism
And then. Racism, people with DSDs, more?

Any and all long standing issues/ orgs etc that have worked and fought and thought and had ideas and etc that have relevance to that movement. Are up for grabs.

Intersectionality is an excellent example.

It is all about 'lived experience' but only the correct one.

They really should not be funding capacity building in this particular sector without clinical support...

Clinicians and clinical researchers are being demonised. The autistic SM forums are pushing against medical understanding of autism - just look at how they turned on the Spectrum 10k study.

YY, the "neurodiverse" movement is about acceptance but has skewed toward self-diagnosis. So, you get people who are self-diagnosed with ASD, ADHD, sensory processing issues, trauma etc.

It's become another situation where acceptance and understanding is a one-way street, with no reciprocation (ironically a feature of ASD, but also a feature of abusive dynamics).

There was something dodgy going on with a survey in NUIG perhaps 18months ago. I know there was another poster here who linked to it, though the name escapes me now. I wonder if it's the same researchers/ department?

I think this shows up a weakness in Tusla, which is that the staff are primarily social workers, with limited experience or ability in recognising differential diagnosis e.g. trauma responses that can be and are misdiagnosed as ASD.
They really should not be funding capacity building in this particular sector without clinical support.... but of course that appears to run contrary to the "acceptance without question" agenda.
I mean no disrespect to SW, but it is not their core competency.

Some of those who self ID as autistic are the most vocal and even police the words and behaviour of those with an actual diagnosis in online groups etc so they take control of the narrative.

Autism is not an "identity" you can just put on, it is a disability, although not everyone finds it as disabling as others if in the right environment. One has to have significant difficulties in the neurotypical world to be diagnosed. Not everyone is happy to call themselves disabled. (Me) There is so much subtext with that.

I hate that autistic people are being preyed on and are being exploited by the radical elements of the trans movement. Just so many vulnerable children and adults.

The other point is that 'identifying' as autistic is becoming a thing. My daughter is 12 and looks at youtubers etc. She has opinions on people like Sia using a non autistic person in an acting role. She knows words like neurotypical because she's heard youtubers talking about these things.

Autistic people who often really struggle socially are vulnerable to embrace being part of a community. Girls who do not like the clothes that girls typically wear because they are uncomfortable or make up because it doesn't feel right are vulnerable to being led to believe that they are part of another community. My daughter is not in school due to her complex needs. The only thing that is good about that is that she is not being told or made to feel that she is something other than a girl by her peers.

Titbum I really wish my son was happier in himself but he isn't. He has major mental health issues. He blames being autistic for those issues.

Autistic people, at least the ones i know, are not happy with people adopting autism as an identity without diagnosis. It is not being a bit quirky. Everyone is not a little bit autistic.

The main point of my first post was to say as a parent I think this teaming of trans issues with autism puts already vulnerable young people at risk and I think that some professionals are encouraging it because it passes the buck to someone else and reduces waiting lists. It's appalling.

Data shows that Autistic children and teens are vulnerable to adults peddling queer theory, so perhaps Autism could be considered as a new protected characteristic in law?

I am not happy about the teaming of autism + T.

I'll try again. Given Tusla's attempt to suppress the free Irish press in relation to a certain controversial and distressing case, involving a highly dangerous individual, they are not a body whose judgment I would trust. I would be extremely worried about their meddling in the lives of autistic children.

Did I use some trigger words?

I mean, what I wrote didn't even go up, it defaulted to going straight to hidden.

How interesting. I have literally posted about 10 seconds ago, but the post is already hidden and being looked at...

I have an autistic daughter who very much sees autism as her identity, this isn't encouraged by us or discouraged

My point is it is being pushed as something you identify as, not diagnosed with. Identifying as autistic is now 'valid' and not to be questioned.

Why does your son dislike 'autistic'? Is it because he feels it makes his life more difficult and doesn't buy into the superpower nonsense? If so, then why should he not feel that way? Or is it because he feels the autistic community does not reflect him or speak for him and doesn't want to be associated with it? If so then tgat us also legitimate.

I don't believe for a split second that 10 was a mistake. Stonewall and all the other adult lobby groups are desperate to get into primary schools - the CEO of Stonewall brazenly admits that targeting primary children was her next big aim.
Numerous parents of primary children are reporting their children coming out as gay, bisexual, trans etc. All because too many schools are failing to safeguard children from dubious adults promoting their age inappropriate beliefs about sexual identity to little children in schools. Children need the space and time to develop as brothers and sisters, friends, family members, learners, to sing, play sport, have hobbies, become part of their communities. Not spend their time obsessing about sexual identity and whether they fancy their peers at the age of 7.

There is an element to this that is about securing funding, for sure. The leaders of these groups are essentially business people making strategic decisions to capture market share.

[quote FindTheTruth]Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine SEGM "In recent years, there has been a sharp increase in referrals of adolescent females to gender clinics. Many do not have a significant history of childhood gender dysphoria and a number suffer from comorbid mental health issues and neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism (ASD) and Attention-Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD)."
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It's genius isn't it. This forced teaming effectively means that kids who identify as trans and have trans are to be celebrated unquestioningly, rather than an exploration of whether their identity is related to their autism.