Primary school u-turn on mixed sex toilets

To be charitable, so many primary heads are buried under govt paperwork they don't have the time to read the small print and are happy to farm it out to a 'reputable' outside body.

One mother, who did not wish to be named, said...
Another parent added...
Speaking anonymously, a mother of an eight-year-old pupil said...

Notice how no one dares be named. Very sinister.

From this example though it seems that schools are spouting this stuff and changing policies etc.

Without giving it any thought whatsoever.

What's worrying is the swift U-turn

So it went.

Unnamed org contacts school. (Out of the blue? Existing relationship? What was the trigger? I imagine that orgs are working through all schools).

This org emails/ phones/ sends info/ has meeting/ whatever with school. Head? Governors? Safeguarding person? A person or some people from the school.

Whatever they say persuades school to make these changes with no consultation etc and apparently no thought at all.

Parents children say WTF.

School reverses decision immediately.

So as soon as the blindingly obvious issues were mentioned they thought oh yeah let's not do this.

Why had the issues not occurred to them before?
Why had they not consulted parents/ students?

How did the issues which were so obvious not even cross their minds when making this decision?

What is going on that this keeps happening? Just oh yeah cool fine we'll just do that then thanks.

Not to mention it's illegal for schools.

What are they being told and how. So that they behave like this?

Oooooooh, let me think.

You might think that, but I couldn’t possibly say

The Beaumont Soc stood out to me too. How odd. To state support for "mainly M2F" means they are openly hostile to and campaign against F2Ms, in TRA logic, doesn't it? (See LGB Alliance)

Do check out their equalities policy. It is also totally misrepresenting the Equalities Act:

sex (including transgender);

Oh, beg your pardon, Beaumont DO have a section on 'FTM', it's just not in the top highlighted section of the webpage. My mistake.

www.beaumontsociety.org.uk/female-to-male.html

Beaumont Society seem to have a section for 'transgender youth' on their site, now. Perhaps undergoing a bit of a rebrand?

Oddly, there is a section for 'MtF' but I could see nothing for 'FtM' and nothing for 'non-binary'.

Male to Female (MTF)
MTF people are assigned male at birth, but wish to present as female on either a temporary or permanent basis, depending upon the degree of their dysphoria.

'Typically, this group of the gender spectrum tend to be more visible in society, where they are often referred to as trans-women, transgender women or transwomen. Here in the Beaumont Society, we advocate that the label transgender shouldn’t be confused with that of transsexual. Although this definition is by no means universally accepted, we support parliament’s use of the term transgender, considering it as an umbrella term that includes all types of gender variant people (See 2015 Commons Select Committee report).'

I can't make head or tail of that paragraph, frankly.

I said that they 'pretty much do' meaning that as it stands a male could potentially use the female toilets and any challenges could be met with cries of transphobia.

Good news thank you OP. One down, how many more to go before sanity prevails?

"although the individual in question may have the body of a boy, they are in every other respect a girl"

What other respects are those?

Ladybrain. Transgender ideology is based around the idea that girls have delicate pink frilly brains which are suited to feminine pursuits like needlework and making themselves look pretty. Boys have blue manly brains which are suited to doing maths, science and sport. So a boy who likes feminine things should change with the girls so that his pink feminine brain feels happy that it is with other pink feminine brains. (Whether the girls all identify as having pink feminine brains is irrelevant because they're female so they don't count as real humans.)

I was wondering that, OldCrone.

You have to conclude that the people leading these schools are stupid.

Or they could be so overwhelmed with govt paperwork dedicated to the premise that you fatten a pig by weighing it more often, so they are relieved and delighted when a 'reputable' outside body offers to take care of something for them.

"although the individual in question may have the body of a boy, they are in every other respect a girl"

What other respects are those?

How has this sort of thing been allowed to get anywhere near schools?

You have to conclude that the people leading these schools are stupid. How can you read that sentence about some boys being girls apart from their bodies, and take it seriously? And what matters about changing rooms other than bodies, anyway?
The reason the human species has fucked up the earth - in some ways so intelligent, and in others so so stupid.

Supermarkets I know all have Ladies and Gents, and some manner of disabled toilet and/or baby changing, open to either sex.

How awful.

I was at an event at the weekend and the toilets were labelled “urinals” and “stalls”. The women were complaining that men feasibly had two choices, and the men were heartily relieved they did not need anything more than a wee, as if queuing at the stalls they might as well have had a sign saying “I need a poo” round their necks.

Remember when there was a fuss in the rightwing rags about teacher training, and all the time spent on studying child development rather than the practicalities of classroom management?

Maybe now we are seeing the fruits of that campaign, with senior teachers who do not know what kids are like.

@WhereTheFuckIsTheGin waves - this is also my home town! I was pleased to see that this had made some national papers - the more light that is shone on these ridiculous moves the better.

So fed up of this absolute rubbish. It's good to see when there is pushback but it's exhausting all the time. And so depressing

Yep. Are we going to have to have this same bloody fight with how many schools, now? It happens every time. The school make a daft change to unisex toilets, massive parental outcry, school forced to change back. What a damn waste of everyone's time, effort and energy.