James Esses Case - Evidence-based therapy

Probably not since you were on another thread declaring that anything but affirming only treatment was dangerous. Which those who are working everyday with trans people are saying is the wrong approach. Even Dr Steensma, whose gender treatment recommendations have been used extensively, has said that for the current cohort of young transitioners affirming only would be wrong.

You are talking about birth certificates, some of us are trying to ensure children, some of our own, are getting the best health care.

You were given links to read on a thread and instead of reading you made yet another misinformed comment about birth certificates.

I doubt you are posting in good faith. I doubt you are interested in listening at all.

Links to a 30 page thread that has no explanation of how birth certificates are dangerous doesn't answer anything. The only time i read about gc is some drama around transgender people.

So i may be missing something but no one is offering to explain or answer my questions.

Yes they are. Over and over again. On multiple threads, actually.

To all the replies to me, if you go out and ask a bunch of random people you'll get my sort of questions, i get your main issues in life is what genitals people have and who is using the cubicle next to you, for the general public like me issue are when I'm going to eat next or paying rent and bills, i don't relate to your issues at all. I know lgbt people, some are in my extended family and some are friends, you portraying them as a threat is just absurd, those i know are the most loveliest people i know. Your description of them is at odds with me. I'm not saying you haven't met creepy people, I've met my fair share of them, however i don't go applying that to an entire group. I genuinely don't see how a birth certificate affects anyone's life, no one has explained it yet. So i may be missing something but no one is offering to explain or answer my questions. I'm inclined to listen to the minority group than those talking about that very group. I started looking into it after the pub thing where gc got kicked out, good people don't get kicked out for no good reason. I am allowed to hold my own opinions, although they are heavily frowned upon.

Thanks for the thread OP. Have donated more. This is an incredibly important case. I've benefitted from a lot of therapy. I shudder to think that if my child needed it in the future, they might not have access to proper in-depth psychotherapy, simply because they don't conform to regressive gender stereotypes so the therapist might feel duty bound to affirm them as trans instead.

Amazed at the brazen attitude of anaily in repeatedly misunderstanding/ misrepresenting what gender critical means but not letting it hold them back from posting nonetheless! Wish I had that level of confidence when talking about topics I'm entirely ignorant on. I think the key is to not listen to a word anyone says in reply. Might try it tomorrow!

When a girl says they are a boy, you will firmly put them back into their box? (Which is the girl box)

Please explain what it means in your mind when a girl says they are a boy? Do you think a teenage old girl should be put onto puberty blockers, like Lupron, which now has a building class action for all the girls and women put on it for other purposes who have significant health issues.

Are you perfectly comfortable with telling children that those are ‘reversible’ knowing that it is highly likely in 10-20 years they will have negative side effects? When that teenage girl may have simply needed therapy for underlying issues?

Good luck to you if you are comfortable with that.

When a girl says they are a boy, you will firmly put them back into their box? (Which is the girl box)

Putting people into boxes you say? If you give a child medication which has the effect that they can never have their own children, aren't you fixing their identity for life?

Therapy, thoughtful reflection, waiting - these all offer you an open future, a chance to change your mind. That's the opposite of putting someone in a box.

Those who claim GC means transphobic typically make no distinction between groups (often far right) who reject gender ideology because they believe in traditional gender roles (these being the groups who actually are transphobic and in some cases violent) and GC people who reject gender ideology because they believe in no gender roles.

I doubt anaily has actually read any firsthand GC arguments being made by GC people, just genderist articles giving fallacious examples of supposed "GC" arguments which of course are nothing of the sort, plus perhaps the odd very small out of context twitter quote surrounded by a distorting narrative.

Hopefully, anaily will hang around to hear what we really think not what someone told them we think.

And maybe after that, they will come to wonder "If someone lied to me about what GC people actually say, what else did they lie to me about?"

Is anaily a GC plant? Someone to present various TRA myths in order to give GC posters a chance to respond and show how they are lies or distortions of the facts? Great work by the way.

I have ADHD, which has strong links with trauma, as well as a trauma history.

'Treatment' so far for me has been 3 years of trauma therapy (ironically with a UKCP psychotherapist) to process all of the traumatic material.

Once this was done I was able to move into more here and now strategies to manage the symptoms of my ADHD. I may, or may not start with medication but am on a waiting list to talk about this.

If I had been rushed straight to medication without any of the other interventions I would have been failed.

I’ve know plenty of children who have suffered ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) and have become reliant upon drugs, alcohol and violence to cope as they went untreated.

Just being their authentic selves though! Let’s let them crack on, eh?

It’s so last year, darling! 🤣

That's shocking, but not surprising news RoastChicory. It was already a case to watch, but it's even more important now. Thanks for the update.
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The aim of the therapy tying to find a cause? Some trauma perhaps? To then fix that with the goal of the trans kid no longer identifying as their gender? So the child is gender conforming?

You cannot fix trauma, anaily. If you think that's what counselling does, you might have misunderstood.

Trauma manifests in a variety of ways. Children may cope with trauma in maladaptive ways that help relieve stress and pain on a temporary basis, but that prevent them from adjusting to whatever trauma they experienced in a healthy and helpful way.

Children are often unable to process traumatic events, they may not be able to talk about it, so noticing maladaptive behaviours can often be the first sign that something upsetting happened in the child's life.

As trauma, including bereavement, abuse and sexual violence, is known to be a causative factor in many cases of gender dysphoria in children, it has always been considered vital to explore the child's background by those treating children with gender dysphoria.

If you read up on the treatment protocols developed by the Dutch clinicians who developed the affirmative approach (using puberty blockers), you will find this reflected in many of their research papers.

They insist on treating the child's trauma symptoms and on helping the child cope with their trauma before proceeding with a transition.

What James Esses was requesting in the counselling of children diagnosed with gender dysphoria was considered to be a bare minimum standard of care not so long ago. That's because exploring any underlying reasons for their gender dysphoria is in the best interest of these children.

Sounds eerily similar to conversion therapy. I can see why childline dropped him. Hopefully all the children he came into contact with are followed up with. Promoting extreme forms of self hate is not therapy.

And no, it does not involve forcing them to conform to sex stereotypes and sex role stereotypes. That's the domain of other ideologies. It's not conversion therapy to ask a child why it feels that it is the opposite sex. And to help a child reconcile their body and mind, so that they are happier in their own skin, is the complete opposite of self hate. It is an act of self love to accept your own body as it is and not as you might wish it to be.

Delirium - yes you're quite right. It's fascinating to see in action though isn't it.

[quote DoesHePlayTheFiddle]I watched this yesterday. I was very impressed by James Esses. [/quote]

Thanks for this, will have a watch later

"Transgender" as a medical condition and as a concept is entirely invented by the medical profession and now also various other people in non medical popular culture.

History here:

quillette.com/2021/09/07/the-truth-about-autogynephilia/?fbclid=IwAR1Uior8A0dfe5lyJRzc26Fgw-GiZMrCqxTFYMkfsfhuQuLVigSRVeQm0nw

Here’s an example of being GC:
Someone who has been born with a penis and testicles can wear make up, play with dolls, be a stay at home parent, work in a nursery.
Someone born with a vagina can be the CEO of British Gas, be a plumber, have very short hair, not like babies.
In other words, what we do for a job, what we like and dislike, what we wear, how we show our feelings has nothing to do with our genitals. People who believe in ‘gender’ thinks it does.

titchy - exactly.

Posted too soon. If so, you must look like a right wally. Lecturing people about the situation in kabul - saying "I can't believe the women there are literally destroying any references to men in the public sphere."

Or lecturing people about vegans - "oh they hate animals and are trying to make sure industrialised abattoirs are the only kind of food available."

Total wally.