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Jolyon - not satisfied with telling women about gender now defines their ethnicity

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nettie434 · 12/09/2021 00:05

Tonight after Emma Raducanu's victory Jolyon has tweeted

When they're white the Express loves immigrants.

twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1436219230815404035?s=21

I am seething. She is very proud of her mixed heritage. Before the match, the commentary team were talking about how Emma and Laylah Fernandez both come from diverse backgrounds. But Jolyon doesn't bother to check any facts, just assumes she is white Angry

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/09/2021 12:53

He's a deeply unpleasant man. With a worrying history of using women and girls to promote his own bigoted political points.

I presume (and hope) he's not a parent.

FrancescaContini · 12/09/2021 11:56

@DdraigGoch

Pure virtue signalling and I wasn’t buying it. What a stupid, shallow man with his private tennis courts *@FrancescaContini* maybe he really meant "Staff are far too expensive around here. Do you know of a cheap Mexican groundsman?"
GrinQuite possibly! Or perhaps his apparent anguish over the lack of racial diversity was to put feelers out to see if I was racist?? No idea.
DdraigGoch · 12/09/2021 11:26

Pure virtue signalling and I wasn’t buying it. What a stupid, shallow man with his private tennis courts
@FrancescaContini maybe he really meant "Staff are far too expensive around here. Do you know of a cheap Mexican groundsman?"

donquixotedelamancha · 12/09/2021 11:16

I don’t understand why he wouldn’t quickly Google her before tweeting.

Because, for all that the concept of white male privilege is wildly misused, he is the living embodiment of it.

The important thing that people often miss about priviledge is that the largest component of this sort of bullet-proof arrogance is being soaked in wealth from your first breath.

OldCrone · 12/09/2021 11:02

When they're white the Express loves immigrants.

Isn't the Express very pro-Brexit? Don't they support the pro-Brexit view that we should have more (mainly non-white) immigrants from the commonwealth and fewer (mainly white) immigrants from the EU?

If they were in favour of white immigrants why didn't they support remain and the immigration of white people from Europe?

Passmeamenuatthetottenham · 12/09/2021 10:55

@TedImgoingmad

There's nothing wrong with talking about Emma's mixed heritage. It is what it is, it's interesting insofar as everybody's background is interesting once they are in the public eye, and of course it's mentioned in the press. The only person who has brought up race - aka skin colour - is Fox Killer. And the only reason he has done this is as some form of gotcha against the Daily Express. He's used an 18 year old CHILD in a political beef that is nothing to do with her, inevitably drawing her into a discussion about how brown/white her skin is, when absolutely nobody was talking about it in the first place.
It reminds me a bit of when Owen Jones didn't give a shit about JKR Rowling (in fact he slagged her off and said she made herself a 'martyr' as an abuse victim) and then the very next day used her to have a go at The Sun, who had put her abusers story on the front page.

These men don't give a fuck about women until they can use those women to advance their own profile and agenda.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2021 10:28

@TedImgoingmad

There's nothing wrong with talking about Emma's mixed heritage. It is what it is, it's interesting insofar as everybody's background is interesting once they are in the public eye, and of course it's mentioned in the press. The only person who has brought up race - aka skin colour - is Fox Killer. And the only reason he has done this is as some form of gotcha against the Daily Express. He's used an 18 year old CHILD in a political beef that is nothing to do with her, inevitably drawing her into a discussion about how brown/white her skin is, when absolutely nobody was talking about it in the first place.
Spot on. What a fucking disgusting thing to do.
ArabellaScott · 12/09/2021 10:28

What an embarrassment that man is.

Deliriumoftheendless · 12/09/2021 10:24

@guinnessguzzler

What exactly has he achieved with his life so far??

Well, he did once beat a fox to death with a baseball bat, let's not forget that!

And continued to popularise the cultural appropriation of other races clothing.
FreeBritnee · 12/09/2021 10:05

He’s just so absolutely sure he’s on the correct side of history with every public comment he makes, isn’t he? You can feel the arrogance of every sentence.

Floisme · 12/09/2021 10:01

What a strange thing to say. Still, now that she's won, he has the perfect opportunity to congratulate her fantastic achievement, apologise for not doing so in the first place, and either explain or correct himself, no?

Abhannmor · 12/09/2021 10:00

@nettie434

Tonight after Emma Raducanu's victory Jolyon has tweeted

When they're white the Express loves immigrants.

twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1436219230815404035?s=21

I am seething. She is very proud of her mixed heritage. Before the match, the commentary team were talking about how Emma and Laylah Fernandez both come from diverse backgrounds. But Jolyon doesn't bother to check any facts, just assumes she is white Angry

Really? Don't remember the Express loving me when I lived there Jolyon. And you'd go snow blind looking at me.
TedImgoingmad · 12/09/2021 09:53

There's nothing wrong with talking about Emma's mixed heritage. It is what it is, it's interesting insofar as everybody's background is interesting once they are in the public eye, and of course it's mentioned in the press. The only person who has brought up race - aka skin colour - is Fox Killer. And the only reason he has done this is as some form of gotcha against the Daily Express. He's used an 18 year old CHILD in a political beef that is nothing to do with her, inevitably drawing her into a discussion about how brown/white her skin is, when absolutely nobody was talking about it in the first place.

dyslek · 12/09/2021 09:47

He's a nincompoop isent he.

merrymouse · 12/09/2021 09:43

What exactly has he achieved with his life so far??

Made lots of money helping people avoid tax.

dyslek · 12/09/2021 09:31

Surely this guy is a joke by now, I dont know why anyone pays any attention to what comes out of his mouth.

Jaysmith71 · 12/09/2021 09:25

Accroding to the rules of South African Apartheid, the Japanese were white but the Chinese were Indian.

guinnessguzzler · 12/09/2021 09:25

What exactly has he achieved with his life so far??

Well, he did once beat a fox to death with a baseball bat, let's not forget that!

FrancescaContini · 12/09/2021 09:23

Excellent point.

nauticant · 12/09/2021 09:16

There's a certain type of privileged progressive person whose main interest in race is that it provides them with a stick to beat other people who they view as being morally inferior.

One reason to do this is to deflect attention away from their privilege. Which is often considerable.

This also applies to other progressive causes.

merrymouse · 12/09/2021 09:14

Is he using "white" to mean "non-black"?

I think he is using "white" to mean successful and middle class.

EsmaCannonball · 12/09/2021 08:49

She clearly isn't white, and even if she were just of Romanian heritage it's not as if the British press has been cheerleading immigration from that part of the world either.

Has Jolyon imbibed the current American thinking that Asian people (and Arabic people and people from some African countries) are in fact white? I wouldn't put it past him.

nauticant · 12/09/2021 08:42

Is he using "white" to mean "non-black"? And in doing so is eliminating her Chinese parentage?

Reminds me in a way of referring to women as "non-men".

FrancescaContini · 12/09/2021 08:42

Its, not it’s 😬

FrancescaContini · 12/09/2021 08:41

@WeeBisom

This seems to be a habit of middle class , white male lawyers. I once went to a woman in law event and some arse of a QC snottily commented that the event wasn’t diverse because “all the women were white .” He had completely missed the three Asian and mixed race women in the picture. Oh and of course he was a white guy. I have no idea why these guys do it but it makes them seem idiotic.
Couldn’t agree more with this.

Not long ago I got chatting with a pleasant-seeming man who had recently moved into my local area. He was extolling it’s virtues and seemed really pleased to have relocated to a place that ticked many of his wish-list boxes - for example, he was able to afford a beautiful flat with a view over greenery close to the private tennis courts that he played at every day…then, as if he suddenly realised that he needed to “check his privilege” Confused he announced:
But it’s not very diverse here, is it?
I replied - assuming he meant racial diversity- no, it’s not, you’d need to move closer to a big city if you want racial diversity.
He said (critical tone): it is such a shame that it’s not more diverse.
I felt he was trying to goad me into an argument so I just said - well perhaps you can’t have everything you want in one place?
He walked away from me. I think he wanted me to join in a middle-class whinge-fest about, oh, such a shame that our community isn’t more DIVERSE.

Pure virtue signalling and I wasn’t buying it. What a stupid, shallow man with his private tennis courts 😳

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