Transgender fighter wins debut after choking out opponent in second round

what the hell has to happen?

Someone who has had military training and with ptsd.

The problem here is absolutely the rules. Not just letting transwomen compete as women, but I have just read a few articles on this person. Has obviously had a terrible childhood, went hungry, frequent victim of child sexual assault with parents who don’t care, joined the military (in a medical capacity?) and now has complex ptsd from both the military and their childhood. I don’t really want to target them at all, I wish they’d had more support, and that there were better rules in place to prevent them competing in mma as a woman. But on top of this, is it in any way ethical to let someone with complex ptsd that puts them in a fight or flight mode compete in a sport like mma? Is this common?

And yes - someone will get badly hurt (again).

My kid is 17 now and does kick boxing. I used to do karate and even at my very fittest and strongest I could be no match against him. He’s no gym bunny but he is a wall of muscle and incredibly powerful. He has sparred against girls in the dojo and he said they are good (more nimble and faster) but... but he lands a punch it will be more powerful coming from him as a bloke.

How can pitting these two against each other be in any way fair?

What is trans genocide please? I think I missed that news item.
Absolutely disgusting and unfair

When a woman dies or has horrific life changing injuries as a result shoulders will be shrugged, the woman will be blamed

I think the women competitors have a very complex problem. If they refuse to fight, this may well harm their reputation, they may be labelled transphobic and offered no more fights at all .

If they accept the bout - then "She consented". I know laws are different internationally, but you can't consent to this in some contexts in the UK:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Spanner

I know sporting bodies have their own regulations but they are coming under pressure because of edge cases such as this.

There's nothing new about men enjoying hurting women. They don't usually get paid for it though.

I don't know what the answer is really. I'm just absolutely sickened by this. It's devastating to see women beaten up by males for entertainment.

It's violence against women as theatre, live and uncensored. Violence against women has been a mainstay in films and TV programmes for donkeys years and was dismissed as it's not real this is just a natural progression the desensitising has been done it is now acceptable to watch and cheer a woman being beaten up by a man. When a woman dies or has horrific life changing injuries as a result shoulders will be shrugged, the woman will be blamed and those who promote this will not care one iota, they don't and never have cared about women.

This is so upsetting. It must mean the end of women's MMA because it's way too dangerous to fight males. And these particular males (him and Fox) are clearly in it to hurt women.

The men of MMA need to start talking about this. I know Joe Rogan does oppose it, vocally and often.

I don't know what the answer is really. I'm just absolutely sickened by this. It's devastating to see women beaten up by males for entertainment.

You mean snuff movies.
Pitting unmatched opponents is very gladiatorial isn't it?
This whole thing cannot end well.

That used to be quite underground and transgressive in the 80s (?).

Now, it's approaching mainstream entertainment. It feels very bread and circuses.

How long until a woman is killed? And will anyone actually care?

After being around these boards for many many years not a lot shocks me. But this!
We can now buy tickets to see male people choke female people.

My blood runs cold at this.

There are some discussions but whether or not they're helpful depends on too many factors to consider.

I would understand a variation on the word genocide or democide to explore what happens when female babies are abandoned because of their sex.

However, I would need to see a discussion of what is meant specifically by trans genocide and this is hampered by:
– the size of the category of trans if one were to adopt the SW umbrella definition;
– the possibility this is an implicit specific interpretation of genocide that is outside the conventional understanding of the term.

Let's face it women being raped and sexually assaulted in prison by TW turns nary a hair for them, two young girls being attacked, threatened with a knife and sexually assaulted in the female toilets of a supermarket by a TW was shrugged off, death of a woman in MMA at the hands of a TW? They'd probably applaud it.

This is utterly disgusting.

"If we want to see more trans athletes, if we want to see more opportunities for trans kids, we’re going to have to work out way into those spaces and make it happen."
Make spaces of your own and stop pushing into women's spaces....

I think I can't say anything on this matter without being deleted, except to say that as someone who experienced dv this makes my blood run cold.

Stop trans genocide. Or at the very least, allow TW to choke women and be celebrated for it. If your feminism isn't intersectional enough to support male physical violence against women, then is it really feminism?

What fucking 'trans génocide '

Lying bullshit.

Yet another ageing mediocre male athlete tries to achieve something in women’s sport