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Transgender fighter wins debut after choking out opponent in second round

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OvaHere · 11/09/2021 12:44

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/transgender-fighter-wins-mma-debut-24960681

Picture pretty much says it all. Horrifying that this is allowed.

Just last week an inquest concluded into the tragic death of a female MMA fighter whose family felt the fight was mismatched and this was an actual female opponent.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9962521/Female-kickboxer-26-died-blow-head-Fast-Furious-fight.html

Allowing males to compete in the female category makes an already dangerous sport so much more dangerous.

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StrangeLookingParasite · 14/09/2021 01:08

You're quite correct. Ladies must stick to safe sports. Anything else is victim-blaming towards women who get injured.

This is a startlingly stupid comment, even for you.

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2021 22:58

I have had a wee look at various sports channels and MMA groups on social media. I am seeing outrage, everywhere.

Roguehair · 13/09/2021 22:37

This isn’t going to be great for this cheat or for MMA in the long run. Sponsors may pull out due to backlash from the vast majority, which may force the hand of the governing body. At least we can hope.

Cam001 · 13/09/2021 20:31

This is sickening. If you haven't seen the South Park "Strong Woman" sketch look it up, it's quite prophetic.

PumpkinSpiceWoman · 13/09/2021 19:04

@NotBadConsidering

I’d love to hear from our regular posters how they can justify an ex special forces soldier choking out a woman in the name of equality and inclusivity.
You're quite correct. Ladies must stick to safe sports. Anything else is victim-blaming towards women who get injured.
gailforce1 · 13/09/2021 17:14

Piers Morgan now has his thoughts on this in the Mail on line - sorry I cannot link.
Certainly the comments under the original article in the Mail were "why is this even happening?".
I do think very many people are unaware that this is happening.

Tibtom · 13/09/2021 14:01

This has popped up twice on my FB this morning. Both times all the comments were heavily critical along the lines of "why are we celebrating a man beating up a woman?"

gailforce1 · 13/09/2021 11:02

This is now being covered by the Mail on line - sorry I cannot share.

The clip shows the two athletes and it is clear which one is male bodied.

PermanentTemporary · 12/09/2021 22:31

Novice trans man beats experienced woman would be more accurate.

I have to say I doubt I'd enjoy watching any MMA fight. But I can see what commenters mean when they say Alana is not very skilled.

OperationDessertStorm · 12/09/2021 22:22

Appalling. This is why Language is so important. Transwoman wins over cis gendered athlete utterly mis represents what this is.

Justme10 · 12/09/2021 21:51

'Her victory prompted backlash from a number of people who said it was unfair for a trans woman to compete against a cis-gendered athlete in the sport.'

The Daily Mail don't even call Celine a woman just a cis-gendered athlete!

It's a disgrace these fights are allowed go ahead, the pictures are sickening.

TheWeeDonkey · 12/09/2021 20:33

Because that is what this fight is: a form of terrorism against women. They are saying "look what we can do to you and the law allows it."

It's Purge level horror, this.

Thats exactly what this is. I've never had any experience of DV and the pictures have really disturbed me. I can't imagine what it feels like for survivors to see this being celebrated.

Flowers to the survivors on this thread.

I keep thinking I hope this is the thing that makes people wake up, but there is no depth people are not willing to sink to to endorse these abuses.

Packingsoapandwater · 12/09/2021 20:23

They have just handed hate-riddled males an excuse to beat the living shit out of females and not get sent down for it.

I'm starting to believe that there's a reason for all this shit. It feels like there's a push emanating from some powerful people to stoke as many fires as possible to try to provoke all out social and cultural conflict.

No one in their right fucking mind would support this fight, unless your motive was to crash MMA as a sport or terrify half the population.

Because that is what this fight is: a form of terrorism against women. They are saying "look what we can do to you and the law allows it."

It's Purge level horror, this.

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 12/09/2021 20:13

I find it so shocking and am in disbelief that we have gotten here-

all very surreal Hunger Games stuff.

that in a "civilised" society that this is happening and has not peaked every single person seeing it.

I hadn't thought about parallel for rough sense defence.
Not only is this normalising it- it is making it entertainment!!!!!

TheWeeDonkey · 12/09/2021 20:03

I have no words, this is evil. Just pure evil and sickening.

The person who did it, the people who allowed and profited from it and the people who're justifying and excusing it. All just pure evil

FlyingOink · 12/09/2021 16:33

The vast majority of people promoting this have never taken a fist to the jaw of any kind. They've grown up watching Buffy and Black Widow and genuinely think women can just train and beat men.

This is definitely a big part of it. Some people genuinely believe this, and think that saying women are weaker physically is anti-equality.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2021 15:29

'a long rounded way'?

Confused
manatsu · 12/09/2021 14:23

[quote ArabellaScott]Indeed there are stupid people on Twitter right now arguing that males are not stronger than females.

Where do you even start with arguments like this?

twitter.com/GynBag/status/1436753766468837380[/quote]
I'm mad you shared this as it meant I had to read this piece of nonsense: www.twitter.com/Zombiecat_Luna/status/1437014869937688579

There are no words.

MondayYogurt · 12/09/2021 13:41

@Thelnebriati if you read to the end of the post you'll see my suggestion that the body count will eventually dissuade eager female volunteers. I don't believe society will suddenly care about women being hurt.

Thelnebriati · 12/09/2021 13:35

Realistically we will need to see several brain damaged, spine damaged, or dead women before this is questioned.

I disagree; injured and dead women have done nothing to help keep women's DV shelters open, funded or single sex.
I think we need to stop thinking that there is any situation so bad it can make people suddenly care about women and children.

andyoldlabour · 12/09/2021 12:29

Any person who agrees with this situation, or worse, congratulates the "winner" is a woman hating person with mental issues.

Datun · 12/09/2021 12:18

@MondayYogurt

Realistically we will need to see several brain damaged, spine damaged, or dead women before this is questioned. The first casualty will be a "cis women do this to opponents too". The second casualty will be a "stop panicking, transphobes" and "this isn't a pattern". The third casualty will be a "fighting is dangerous duh". The fourth casualty will be a "maybe they should wear helmets or something". The fifth casualty the family will speak up and be branded transphobic. The sixth casualty sponsors might start to worry it's not the image they want to project. The seventh casualty some mainstream think-pieces will mention live action snuff films. And hopefully by the twentieth+ casualty women fighters will be so afraid they'll avoid any trans fighting. The vast majority of people promoting this have never taken a fist to the jaw of any kind. They've grown up watching Buffy and Black Widow and genuinely think women can just train and beat men. They have no answers for why transmen don't win male sports.
God, that is only too plausible.

I genuinely think some people believe that if women train hard, like in the movies, they can take on men. But most people don't. Most of these people (men) just love seeing women get the crap kicked out of them whilst calling it progressive and claiming that the person doing the kicking is the real victim.

RedDogsBeg · 12/09/2021 12:18

[quote ArabellaScott]Indeed there are stupid people on Twitter right now arguing that males are not stronger than females.

Where do you even start with arguments like this?

twitter.com/GynBag/status/1436753766468837380[/quote]
Remember that disgusting trope from years ago that rape victims should just keep their legs closed to prevent it happening? These arguments are barely a whisker away from that.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2021 12:14

@Appalonia

There a a tweet saying she was literally asking for it...
Shock Holy fuck.