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Transgender fighter wins debut after choking out opponent in second round

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OvaHere · 11/09/2021 12:44

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/mma/transgender-fighter-wins-mma-debut-24960681

Picture pretty much says it all. Horrifying that this is allowed.

Just last week an inquest concluded into the tragic death of a female MMA fighter whose family felt the fight was mismatched and this was an actual female opponent.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9962521/Female-kickboxer-26-died-blow-head-Fast-Furious-fight.html

Allowing males to compete in the female category makes an already dangerous sport so much more dangerous.

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AryaStarkWolf · 17/09/2021 14:51

Ex Fighter and MMA commentator Brendan Schaub also has his say

www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-brendan-schaub-speaks-transgender-fighter-alana-mclaughlin

I'm a big MMA fan and I can tell you the vast vast vast majority of fans posting on articles related to this think it's disgusting this has been allowed. I don't understand how the over whelming majority of people disagree that this is OK but it still goes ahead? Mental.

FrancescaContini · 14/09/2021 20:52

@Artichokeleaves

There's absolute naivety, lack of any knowledge or understanding, or respect for the victims of genocide, the holocaust, of the Nazis, of slavery, of the original black rights movement, of the original gay rights movement - just none at all.

Those words and comparisons are childishly thrown around as Big Words that make Other People React.

It disgusts me probably more than any other part of this does. When you and your children are locked in a building which is set on fire, or your people are being thrown live into lit petrol pits, or your neighbours are being dragged out of their homes and shot in the street in front of you, or having limbs hacked off with machetes, or your relatives are being rounded up and packed into vans never to be seen again, or you've even got an invading army in your town with tanks and they're freely shooting anyone who looks at them wrong, then I might start to agree there's a comparison.

Otherwise some growing up is very urgently needed because those people had names. These things really happened. And we're of a generation so bloody privileged that we have no idea what real oppression is.

Very well put, thank you for articulating this so well.

The biggest words have been emptied of their original meanings and become just “throwaway” words to be tossed around willy (no pun intended, honestly) nilly. It’s beyond contemptible that TRAs have appropriated words that describe the most horrendous acts for their own cause. Surely anyone with an ounce of sense/intelligence/knowledge of world history and current affairs must see this??

FrancescaContini · 14/09/2021 20:48

@FloralBunting

To be fair, I suspect Pumpkin may well be of the school that things this sort of thing isn't for laydees.
After the most recent comment, I fear PSW is actually in real DANGER ⚠️ of becoming a parody of him/herself. Or themselves.
FloralBunting · 14/09/2021 09:22

To be fair, I suspect Pumpkin may well be of the school that things this sort of thing isn't for laydees.

Artichokeleaves · 14/09/2021 09:18

There's absolute naivety, lack of any knowledge or understanding, or respect for the victims of genocide, the holocaust, of the Nazis, of slavery, of the original black rights movement, of the original gay rights movement - just none at all.

Those words and comparisons are childishly thrown around as Big Words that make Other People React.

It disgusts me probably more than any other part of this does. When you and your children are locked in a building which is set on fire, or your people are being thrown live into lit petrol pits, or your neighbours are being dragged out of their homes and shot in the street in front of you, or having limbs hacked off with machetes, or your relatives are being rounded up and packed into vans never to be seen again, or you've even got an invading army in your town with tanks and they're freely shooting anyone who looks at them wrong, then I might start to agree there's a comparison.

Otherwise some growing up is very urgently needed because those people had names. These things really happened. And we're of a generation so bloody privileged that we have no idea what real oppression is.

ArabellaScott · 14/09/2021 08:53

I am impressed, Pumpkin, that you turned up to argue the toss on here, though. Credit to you - there are very, very few people willing to stand up on behalf of Alana McLaughlin's right to fight women. The comments I have seen across social media are virtually unanimous in their condemnation.

ArabellaScott · 14/09/2021 08:51

You're quite correct. Ladies must stick to safe sports. Anything else is victim-blaming towards women who get injured.

'Ladies' can play whatever sports they wish. But nobody should suggest that cage-fighting an ex army male with PTSD is going to be in any way a fair, safe or sane thing to do. Males should not fight women, full stop.

In the case of Fallon Fox, of course, Fallon didn't disclose that Fallon was male to begin with, so several women were presumably exposed to this massively increased level of risk without giving informed consent.

Unfortunately for Celine Provost, Tamikka Brents and the other women that Fallon Fox fought, there are people who are pushing unscientific nonsense that suggests it is acceptable for someone born male to fight someone born female. This is dangerous nonsense, demonstrably false and clear to anyone with even the smallest amount of observational ability and intelligence.

ArabellaScott · 14/09/2021 08:39

Interview with Dr Emma Hilton on GB news on sex differences, specifically wrt wrestling/strength

twitter.com/gbnews/status/1437447530166558727?s=21

KittenKong · 14/09/2021 08:25

I think - it’s all image isn’t it. It’s reminds me of the old wrestling matches that used to be in tv - boo the baddies. Cheer the goodies. Victims become the victors.

Actual genocide is ugly, terrifying and scary.
Actual suicide stats are dreadful.
Actual hate crime is violent and unjust.
Actual biology is... eoooowwwww yukky

Rainbows, flags and unicorns with glitter are just so darned cute. Focus all your youthful ‘outrage’ on something where you don’t need to see photos of mutilated bodies or crying children.

FrancescaContini · 14/09/2021 08:20

“Genocide”

Fucking hell, it’s beyond inappropriate and arrogant to use this word. Such narcissism. This individual has clearly never heard of Rwanda or any other fucking hideous recent events where REAL genocide was committed on an appalling scale.

KittenKong · 14/09/2021 08:18

Safe sport? What’s that - competitive knitting? Poem writing? Cloud gazing?

TheWeeDonkey · 14/09/2021 08:16

@StrangeLookingParasite

You're quite correct. Ladies must stick to safe sports. Anything else is victim-blaming towards women who get injured.

This is a startlingly stupid comment, even for you.

Its the best they have
TheWeeDonkey · 14/09/2021 08:14

@KittenKong

What genocide where? ‘How’ genocide?

The arguments are generally not thought out, or just fermented queer theory.

Well thats the question isn't it. When we can turn on the news and see actual genocides every day its quite a sick and more than a little bit of a narcissistic act.
334bu · 14/09/2021 08:09

In UK statistics would appear to show that being a transwoman puts you in a very safe demographic. No transwomen killed in the last 3 years.

KittenKong · 14/09/2021 08:05

But ‘wrong’ words can kill don’t you know...

FrancescaContini · 14/09/2021 08:03

@NotBadConsidering

I’d love to hear from our regular posters how they can justify an ex special forces soldier choking out a woman in the name of equality and inclusivity.
Me too. It’s jaw droppingly awful. It’s abuse, violence, assault in plain sight.
KittenKong · 14/09/2021 07:59

What genocide where? ‘How’ genocide?

The arguments are generally not thought out, or just fermented queer theory.

TheWeeDonkey · 14/09/2021 07:58

Its quite ironic that this person wears a t-shirt saying "stop trans genocide" while peaking a whole new section of society.
A complete lack of self awareness.

I don't understand why this person so obviously has some complex issues, but the one treatment they have is transition? As if thats going to help their PTSD

Sophoclesthefox · 14/09/2021 07:41

@NotBadConsidering

Well I guess it’s a logical tactic. PumpkinSpiceWoman or their fellow posters are probably going to steer clear of focusing the discussion on the actions of the male in a women’s sport, and would prefer to focus the discussions on the actions of the women opponents.

Because obviously the issue here is the choices women make in deciding to fight a male, and not the choices the male makes in deciding to fight women, nor the obvious physical advantage, nor the threat to safety or life Hmm.

And I guess it’s an obvious tactic because to come out and say “I support the right of a male ex special forces soldier to choke a woman for entertainment” is a bit too transparent, even for our regulars.

I think you’re right. I couldn’t work out what PumpkinSpice meant at all, but I think this is it- deflect, deflect, deflect!
NotBadConsidering · 14/09/2021 07:18

Well I guess it’s a logical tactic. PumpkinSpiceWoman or their fellow posters are probably going to steer clear of focusing the discussion on the actions of the male in a women’s sport, and would prefer to focus the discussions on the actions of the women opponents.

Because obviously the issue here is the choices women make in deciding to fight a male, and not the choices the male makes in deciding to fight women, nor the obvious physical advantage, nor the threat to safety or life Hmm.

And I guess it’s an obvious tactic because to come out and say “I support the right of a male ex special forces soldier to choke a woman for entertainment” is a bit too transparent, even for our regulars.

EdgeOfACoin · 14/09/2021 05:42

You're quite correct. Ladies must stick to safe sports. Anything else is victim-blaming towards women who get injured.

Really, Pumpkin? This is the line you're taking?

In case you haven't spotted, nobody is blaming the victim. People are blaming the organisers who are so desperate not to appear bigoted that they are putting women at significant risk - far more than they would be otherwise.

Why do you think women don't compete against men in this sport? (Hint, it's to do with the biological differences between the sexes and nothing to do with whether the participants feel all manly or womanly on the inside.)

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 14/09/2021 02:26

You're quite correct. Ladies must stick to safe sports. Anything else is victim-blaming towards women who get injured.

Because if we don't stick to non-contact sports, it's our own fault if men hurt us?

Is that what you're trying to say?

NotBadConsidering · 14/09/2021 02:11

@StrangeLookingParasite

You're quite correct. Ladies must stick to safe sports. Anything else is victim-blaming towards women who get injured.

This is a startlingly stupid comment, even for you.

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