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Rosie Duffield thank you

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Whatthechicken · 10/09/2021 16:39

I haven’t seen another thread on this today and I know she must be on here - thank you Rosie!

Rosie on Twitter today:

twitter.com/rosieduffield1/status/1436276236049862661?s=21

Hope that’s a clicky link.

Despite the hate you may be getting Rosie, there is a legion behind you!

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GrabbingTheWorldByTheLapels · 11/09/2021 21:31

@CatherinaJTV - each time? So every time your ‘classmate’ entered a changing room she had things thrown at her? Did this happen in more than one place or in many places? And it happened everyone every-time she went to this/these places? And what exactly do you mean things thrown at her - what things? And why would this be? Wouldn’t it be the usual experience of being spoken to first before being attacked with things being thrown at her? Hmm
Actual ‘literal’ violence.

334bu · 11/09/2021 21:08

Most assaults will happen by cis individuals. Why are assaults happening at all?

Then why do you want to make it easier for male prisoners to assault female prisoners ?

MandyMotherOfBrian · 11/09/2021 20:45

Ignoring the sealion, and back to the original point of the OP - ie a Rosie Duffield appreciation thread - Thank you Rosie, as a constituent of yours, you have my full support. In this current climate you are a very brave woman. Especially as you will know standing up for women, and their rights, is likely to cost you dear, in terms of votes, in the university constituency you represent. How very different to the motivations of Ben Fitter-Harding, so desperate to get ahead that, despite being gay and probably having been on the receiving end of homophobia many times in his life, he still aligned himself with an MP that consistently, and openly, opposed equal rights for gay and lesbian people. He has zero integrity. But I guess this swipe is worth it to him, at least it deflects attention from his woeful inadequacies in the job for a while.

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/09/2021 20:10

WHY can anyone assault anyone in prison? Why don't we change the prisons? Most assaults will happen by cis individuals. Why are assaults happening at all?

Yeah, women can be assaulted by other women in prison anyway so what's wrong with adding to the problem by inviting convicted rapists and male sex offenders to join in?

Hmm
RedDogsBeg · 11/09/2021 20:00

@CatherinaJTV

Yup. Fucking dangerous for the female inmates that are now locked up with and are being sexually assaulted by the tw sex offenders who are legally in their spaces, too.

WHY can anyone assault anyone in prison? Why don't we change the prisons? Most assaults will happen by cis individuals. Why are assaults happening at all?

No such thing as cis individuals.

Assaults in the female prison estate were lower than low and certainly no incidents of rape until they started putting TW in there (or more accurately men who claim they are TW). The change to prison accommodation changed the levels of assault, so there you go a change to accommodate the ideology you support has directly and detrimentally impacted in women, but of course you will never accept that because women and their safety are an anathema to you.

GrandmaMazur · 11/09/2021 19:58

Have just seen that Rosie Duffield will be missing the labour conference because of security concerns. Am sure Keir Starmer will be vocal in his condemnation against all the abuse and aggression she’s received.

CatherinaJTV · 11/09/2021 19:51

In any case - it's kitchen cleaning time for me. Good night.

CatherinaJTV · 11/09/2021 19:50

Yup. Fucking dangerous for the female inmates that are now locked up with and are being sexually assaulted by the tw sex offenders who are legally in their spaces, too.

WHY can anyone assault anyone in prison? Why don't we change the prisons? Most assaults will happen by cis individuals. Why are assaults happening at all?

CatherinaJTV · 11/09/2021 19:49

How shocking for your friend. And shocking because I have never come across this before. Anyone else ever seen a women/female experiencing this behaviour? If I see a short-haired flat-chested person I can tell if they are male or female by their body shape and language once they have reached puberty. Weird for your friend.

it's not the only time this has happened though - there are a number of NGC women chronicling their experiences and it happens to them almost daily.

CatherinaJTV · 11/09/2021 19:48

Did you complain to the shop staff/leisure centre staff about complete strangers throwing things at you?! shock

My classmate. No, we did not complain. She was embarrassed, but the girls rallied round her each time.e

Waitwhat23 · 11/09/2021 19:48

And Katie Dolatowski was placed in a 'female only' hostel despite sexually assaulting young girls -

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/3928585/transgender-sex-offender-female-only-fife-hostel-katie-dalatowski-furious-residents/

yourhairiswinterfire · 11/09/2021 19:42

@RedDogsBeg

I think she is trans phobic, because she seems to equate access of trans women to women's spaces (which is legal now) as inherently dangerous.

It was certainly fucking dangerous for the 10 and 12 year old victims of Katie Dolatowski, who threatened them with a knife before sexually assaulting them and that was under the present system. Your view that you don't think it will be even easier under the reforms would be laughable if it wasn't so contemptible.

Yup. Fucking dangerous for the female inmates that are now locked up with and are being sexually assaulted by the tw sex offenders who are legally in their spaces, too.
RedDogsBeg · 11/09/2021 19:38

I think she is trans phobic, because she seems to equate access of trans women to women's spaces (which is legal now) as inherently dangerous.

It was certainly fucking dangerous for the 10 and 12 year old victims of Katie Dolatowski, who threatened them with a knife before sexually assaulting them and that was under the present system. Your view that you don't think it will be even easier under the reforms would be laughable if it wasn't so contemptible.

mammajustkilledagnat · 11/09/2021 19:20

How shocking for your friend. And shocking because I have never come across this before. Anyone else ever seen a women/female experiencing this behaviour? If I see a short-haired flat-chested person I can tell if they are male or female by their body shape and language once they have reached puberty. Weird for your friend.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 11/09/2021 19:11

@CatherinaJTV

People can tell what sex people are. It's an evolutionary trait. Women's politeness (and fear of causing a fuss/being threatened) has been mistaken for acceptance of a situation.

I am sorry, but that's bollocks. I was misgendered until my boobs became absolutely unignorable. My classmate B didn't grow boobs and had stuff thrown at her whenever we entered the women's changing rooms, even in her late teens. Butch/NGC women are mistaken for men all the time. "We can always tell" is just not a thing.

Did you complain to the shop staff/leisure centre staff about complete strangers throwing things at you?! Shock
GreyhoundG1rl · 11/09/2021 19:05

She's got the Politician's answer down pat.

Sophoclesthefox · 11/09/2021 18:59

As far as I know the E&W GRA reform is dead? I have linked to the Scottish one, I am a Scottish resident.

Well, I’ve got good news for you, as you don’t seem to have kept up. The Women and Equalities select committee are still running an enquiry

committees.parliament.uk/work/658/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/

It’s very far from clear to what extent Scotland can make alterations without Westminster on this topic. Would a self ID Scottish GRC be able to be used to make changes to documents issued in E&W, for example?

And you’ve dodged the question again 🤣 its hilarious.

334bu · 11/09/2021 18:54

Well done Rosie Duffield for standing up for women's rights.Flowers

CatherinaJTV · 11/09/2021 18:51

@Sophoclesthefox

I wasn't in front of Holyrood - I would not have let Tory MSPs stand with me and use me as a backdrop to make up "feminist" credentials. I don't know in how many ways I should phrase this. It is really quite clear

It really isn’t, unless your point is that it’s only Scottish Tories that you think are beyond the pale, and Westminster Tories are A-OK, which makes no sense at all when you say your disapproval stems from the austerity years and the impact on women. That came from Westminster.

If you won’t support Tories, you should not be on board with the GRa reforms in E&W, which were instigated by Tories.

It’s really quite clear 😂

As far as I know the E&W GRA reform is dead? I have linked to the Scottish one, I am a Scottish resident.
middlingmess · 11/09/2021 18:51

Thanks Rosie.
I'll be voting for you again

merrymouse · 11/09/2021 18:51

Read the draft bill.

I have read the draft bill. You might not be a lawyer but if you are referencing the bill in an argument you should be able to explain how you are interpreting it. I can only conclude that you don’t understand it.

Sophoclesthefox · 11/09/2021 18:50

@Waitwhat23

So why have you quoted a Tory document to back up your argument?
Reasons!!
CatherinaJTV · 11/09/2021 18:50

@Waitwhat23

So why have you quoted a Tory document to back up your argument?
because it is the available guidance?
Sophoclesthefox · 11/09/2021 18:50

I wasn't in front of Holyrood - I would not have let Tory MSPs stand with me and use me as a backdrop to make up "feminist" credentials. I don't know in how many ways I should phrase this. It is really quite clear

It really isn’t, unless your point is that it’s only Scottish Tories that you think are beyond the pale, and Westminster Tories are A-OK, which makes no sense at all when you say your disapproval stems from the austerity years and the impact on women. That came from Westminster.

If you won’t support Tories, you should not be on board with the GRa reforms in E&W, which were instigated by Tories.

It’s really quite clear 😂

merrymouse · 11/09/2021 18:47

I don't know in how many ways I should phrase this. It is really quite clear.

The question was about whether you supported the reforms to the GRA proposed by Maria Miller, or whether you would have rejected them because if her support for Conservative policies.

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