Not enjoying the Janey Godley pile on....

But pug dog guy wasn't taking the piss. he was celebrating and promoting nazism.

Not really seeing these two examples as simiar

Both piss takes of Nazis. Both unfunny tbh. Don’t be tiresome, pretending anyone is saying cancel dads army because there’s Nazis in it. Nobody is saying that.

If you point your fingers at my dog as if they are a gun and then say, 'Up viz ze hands!' like you are in an old war film, then he sticks his paws in the air. (I didn't teach him this. He can also do a trick where he says his prayers, if that it any better.) Shall I turn myself in now or do I just report straight to the gulag?

I am always going to err on the side of free speech, unless it's a threat or directly targeting a person. (I am not defending Godley's tweets, some of them are appalling). I still think she should be free to say them without legal threat.

I agree. The issue is where she is chosen to effectively be a government mouthpiece in a covid public health campaig.

Gold star award for defending the indefensible goes to you @KettlePolly

By that reasoning, Dad's (sic) Army would be a nightmare of Nazi references and would need to be cancelled forthwith.

I too am struggling to see any equivalence or even similarity between Linehans - fairly gentle, if surreal- mockery of racists and someone celebrating them.

*Ah yes, I just remembered that Graham Linehan was very vocal about cancelling the nazi pug guy.

And then look what happened to Linehan. I’m not sure if Linehan got the chance to explain why his nazi jokes in Father Ted were ok and non-offensive. Oh well.*

Not really seeing these two examples as simiar.

The first was about recreating Nazi imagery and obeisance to Hitler as a good thing.

The second was about making Nazism the target of humour, and more subtly, also making someone's crap attempts to avoid appearing racist also the target of humour.

Or is it that mentioning Nazism at all is not acceptable?

the hypocrisy, cronyism, stifling of opinion going on in Scottish politics is frightening.

Yes, this is the root of the problem.

And then look what happened to Linehan. I’m not sure if Linehan got the chance to explain why his nazi jokes in Father Ted were ok and non-offensive. Oh well.

Murdo Fraser's calm, reasoned speech in the Holyrood chamber elicits a heckle from Sturgeon to shut him up.

Godley's foul mouthed, racist disablist tweets are "just things that happen" according to Sturgeon.

This is exactly what struck me. Protesters trying to engage in legitimate debate about legitimate concerns - ‘shame on you’ says Nicola.

“comedian” (and Nicola’s mate) repeatedly writes racist messages - ‘ach well…’ 🤷‍♀️

I don't like a pile on either so I agree with you OP

It isn't a pile on. I have no sympathy for this despicable women. I was very much enjoying seeing her rightly called to task.

She and Sturgeon and the other SNP apologists are beneath contempt.

Murdo Fraser's calm, reasoned speech in the Holyrood chamber elicits a heckle from Sturgeon to shut him up.

Godley's foul mouthed, racist disablist tweets are "just things that happen" according to Sturgeon.

Welcome to the wonderful "inclusive" Scotland. I'm not even particularly gender critical but the hypocrisy, cronyism, stifling of opinion going on in Scottish politics is frightening.

[quote ArabellaScott]www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-58513670[/quote]
That's some brass neck on Godley and Sturgeon.

Comedy deliberately exaggerates, mocks, makes outrageous, hypothetical situations, so yes comedians should be free to say outrageous, terrible things. I am always going to err on the side of free speech, unless it's a threat or directly targeting a person. (I am not defending Godley's tweets, some of them are appalling). I still think she should be free to say them without legal threat.

Also, women should be free to state biological truth without being deleted. Or discuss their gender critical beliefs (worth of respect, remember) without being subject to threat.

The 'it was a joke' defence didn't work in a Scottish court for Mark meechan (I think that was his name) in the nazi pug YouTube sketch case. The judge specifically said that context was not relevant and he was convicted.

It's interesting how some people are cast out or piled on (like is happening to godley) but others get away with it. Franckie Boyle has done a complete about turn and avoids criticism of his previous comedy by so fully & forcefully signing up to the world view of those he doesn want to be cancelled by.

I don't like a pile on either so I agree with you OP.

@OvaHere

For those wondering why now, what’s the context, a tabloid newspaper the daily record tried to take down a football blog by going through their Twitter history and the football blog fought back by doing the same to the tabloid’s journalists. Now it’s open season on all Twitter accounts on all public figures in Scotland. And that’s all for the good.

As well as the racist and disablist comments she's made I think, some women in Scotland especially, don't have much sympathy for JG is due to the way she has attacked GC women. Janey has had vile abuse on Twitter from fans of a certain football team and many women, myself included, stepped in to defend her. It's some of the most hateful stuff I've ever seen there. Fast forward 2 or 3 years and she's abusing those same women because she's now a "trans ally". She actually had me blocked, having had no interaction with her around trans issues, unblocked me to call me a transphobic c*t then blocked me again. This is something she does regularly. Janey has had a hard life, survived abuse and lost her mother to a violent partner and still can't, or won't, acknowledge women's opinions on single sex spaces, refuges and prisons.
She's gloated over women being banned from Twitter, deplatformed and losing their livelihoods all in the name of being an ally. People are therefore finding it difficult to feel any sympathy for her.

Ooops, pressed post too soon. It goes without saying that I think her tweets were vile and unfunny.

I’m not sure I buy this “but I’m a comedian!” Approach.

Isn’t that just a variation on insulting someone, then if they get upset, telling them “it was just a joke”? In our personal lives, we all know that’s a bullshit excuse, because we know with these types of “joke”, the intent was always to provoke upset, and it’s a common tactic of passive aggressive bullies.

Also, Twitter isn’t a comedy venue. Context is shorn- anything outside your letter count that you think provides context, won’t do that if people go looking. So obviously, people should tweet with that in mind, shouldn’t they?

I also can’t get worked up about a Twitter Robespierre being eaten by her own. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Twitter mobs and spats are idiotic, and a grown woman should be embarrassed about getting caught up in them, from either side.

Like I said in the other thread (this one www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4344113-Nicola-Sturgeon-shouts-shame-on-you-to-Tory-MSP-who-mentioned-last-week-s-demo ) I don't agree with cancel culture or piling on somebody, and I haven't in her case. But I'm only human and have felt some schadenfreude over this. She is vociferously supportive of TRAs and has orchestrated many pile ons herself. Maybe it'll make her think on.

Can Marion Millar use the "these things happen" defence or is it only available to members of the ruling party?

She is a racist.

Of course there is going to be a pile on when the Scottish Government is paying money to a racist to do public health adverts.