Not enjoying the Janey Godley pile on....

Twitter isn't real life though.

I don't know what % of people in UK/ Scotland are on there.

The weight given to it feels disproportionate.

She'll be fine. She's already had soothing noises from some prominent Genderists. As long as she bangs out the hand wringing apology (check) and reiterates her commitment to the cause, keeps her head down for a bit, she'll be back on Twitter in a couple of months ripping holes in women's rights for all she's worth.

She's getting rightly criticised for saying awful things. When she's spearheaded pile ons directed towards women like Sister Outrider for campaigning for women, it's not even slightly comparable. Sorry, but bullying people because you disagree with them is not on - being criticized for using despicable racist and ableist slurs is absolutely how social pressure is supposed to work, especially if someone is claiming to stand for some sort of progressive utopia.

But like I say, I really wouldn't feel too bad for her if I were you. No one gets fully cancelled so long as they submit to the Genderist party line. Godley's a true believer. It's only women like us who resist that get properly shat on.

Pile ons are awful, OP, I agree.

She should not be employed by the government, that's really inappropriate.

What the duck are mother libs?

You live by the sword…

I have no sympathy for her. The minute I read her disabled slurs I put her down as fair game for the bastards of the internet that she has encouraged to go after other people, notably GC women.

And this was before I saw the racist shite.

I really hope Dawn French and David Baddiel et al do not condone calling people those vile things. I am not even going to repeat them blanked out.

I know that mother libs supporting her are happy to support her when she goes after women expressing concern about women’s rights.
I expect no more from them. They have the advantage of luxury beliefs (I can’t imagine their daughters will be in any danger of being locked in a prison cell with a rapist, so it obviously is something they can be cool with. Remember no exceptions!)

But I thought they might draw the line at the hatred that she has spewed.

The recent fake ones or the old old ones… just to clarify?

Being racist isn't a mistake, it's a choice.

Yep

What I don't get is that everyone knew JG was like this

I didn't. I'd only heard of her in connection with the Nicola Sturgeon voiceovers.

I don't know the context in which she made these remarks but I would be hardpressed to come up with a context in which they'd be acceptable.

She said that about Sir Cliff?

Never mind a general apology, I would hope that Godley has approached some of those individuals to apologise to them in private and with full sincerity.

Really?! Her humour to me was animal
Voiceovers for kids during lockdown… also foul mouthed? Are we back to the 50s where only men are allowed to swear? Is this some random anti snp thread? Also love grown women saying they never made mistakes as grown women - well done you… but most of us make mistakes- sometimes bigger mistakes as adults.

I too am baffled if these tweets were so recent and not hidden, why haven’t they been raised before, or when they first appeared?

I think because they pre-date anything like her being famous. She was just another horrible person on Twitter in 2011.

And she’s never been famous enough for someone to go looking til now.

I'd have most likely snapped and said worse far more frequently under pressure

Really? She appears to have tweeted numerous racist and ableist slurs. I'm astonished anyone would try to defend this.

Can’t stand her. She has a cheek to slag off other people accents and dialects when she hams up her wee schemie Glesca wummin act.

The edinburgh castle question happens because from many angles it doesn’t look like a castle, while some other buildings in the city centre do, so it is actually genuinely confusing.

She's a fan of cancel culture but now seems to be on the receiving end

I don’t know her, I don’t know her work, I’m not in to cancel culture, i do find what she’s said unpleasant and her apology is absolutely pathetic

But…if she is a fan of cancel culture? I do not have any sympathy whatsoever

It's a pile on and not a fair one. I don't agree with everything she says. But this is turning into a witch-hunt and unfair given the vitriol she gets and has got even for saying something comparatively banal. I'd have most likely snapped and said worse far more frequently under pressure. Like I say our politics don't align but it doesn't merit this sort of attack.

I think the big difference between her and the likes of Frankie Boyle, and probably the reason the tweets are being brought to attention now is that frankie and most other comedians don't try to pretend to be/aim to be the voice of the nation.

She was also on the government payroll promoting a government health policy and pushing the SNP narrative. I don't know of any other comedian who has ever done that. I think that's a big difference here.

She has also been an instigator in leading 'pile ons' against others, so some will see it as karma.

I imagine someone in the SNP will be in trouble for not looking into their new poster girl too deeply and getting caught up in the hype of clicky pens

I think it's positive that some of the cancellers are starting to feel the wrath of cancel culture themselves. Hopefully it will hasten the end of it and we can all go back to freedom of speech and democracy. I mean, she'll still be a nasty piece of work, just like Frankie Boyle, but I'd rather have these people out in the open for all to see that driven into protected twitter bubbles to fester away.

A few pp have mentioned Frankie Boyle - you may find this article interesting. www.spectator.co.uk/article/spare-us-frankie-boyle-s-lecture-on-offensive-comedy

I did a physics degree and had a big interest in nuclear / particle physics etc.

From curie dying, to the treatment of the women in USA who painted watch faces (really interesting and awful if anyone interested) to Chernobyl and the scientists who went in because the robots conked out in the face of the radioactivity.

Then of course all the rest of it. Chernobyl FFS.

So I know my jumping on that seemed weird with all the other stuff but that's why.

So she makes racist 'jokes', and enjoys referring to a nuclear disaster in order to insult people. And more couldn't read the tweets.

The Chernobyl thing is a pathetic insult anyway. If anyone said it to me I wouldn't feel insulted just think well that's weak. And not being able to come up with a better insult doesn't say much for your intelligence.

I saw her bit at the Edinburgh Festival in 2018, and it was painfully awful. Wild, exaggerated, specifically anti-American and generally anti-tourist shite, and just stupid. She very loudly and self-promotingly misunderstood a question about Edinburgh that would not only be asked by a foreigner, but also by a Scot who didn't know Edinburgh.

Specifically, she wanted the audience to be angry with her that foreigners asked how to get to Edinburgh Castle, while Edinburgh Castle was firmly in view. This shook me out of my previous "oh, maybe it's OK if she's a bit sexist (her misuse of "cunt" to get attention): she is on my side" torpor by its sheer viciousness and insensitivity and stupidity. And I felt sorry for her too: all the world comes to Edinburgh once a year in August (something I've always thought Scotland should be proud of!) and she has the chance to learn from that, but instead she just ... spews xenophobic hate and prejudice. There are people all over Scotland who would love to attend the Festival and meet people from around the world and can't.

I don't like non-substantiated Twitter, etc. takedowns, but given that you're worried about them, I'm not sure how you would have preferred this to play out in the public sphere? People in Scotland have every right to expect that their government not pay out public monies to fund someone who makes Scotland looks bad on the world stage. And believe me, as a Scot living elsewhere in the EU - no one knows who Janie Godley is, but whizz like hers does get repeated and does add up to make Scotland look bad. And that's bad for Scotland, if it ever is in a position to be independent and to seek EU accession.

What did you want to happen differently?

I've never liked her but have friends who have, for years, thought she's hilarious. Funnily enough they are all from better backgrounds, with better lifestyles and very politically aware, woke if you like (although I'm not terribly keen on that term). Always felt they thought it such a laugh that a working class woman was ripping her class to bits and attributing views to them like they were all the same.