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Not enjoying the Janey Godley pile on....

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rabbitwoman · 09/09/2021 20:55

Haven't seen a thread on this, although there is a bit on the end of the NS thread at the moment.

But Godley was very outspoken against anyone questioning the trans rights agenda, and is someone who gleefully and happily reports, blocks and let's lose a barrage of very foul mouthed abuse to anyone who disagrees with her on twitter.

However, I am not enjoying her twitter take down this evening. I would much prefer a complete turn around and all the oldest voices to use this as an opportunity to call for a more reasonable debate.

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Greencoatblue · 10/09/2021 01:40

To my shame I couldn't care less how uncomfortable or harassed JG feels. Live by the sword, die by the sword. A taste of your own medicine should bring it home clearly. It's to be hoped she learns some home truths and appreciates how vile and hurtful so many of her tweets have been.

Gimlisaxe · 10/09/2021 01:36

@TedImgoingmad

When I read it originally I thought she meant some of her tweets were faked, but I think what she actually means is she tweeted racist and vile shit against fake accounts who were insulting her.

MyBadHabitsLeadToYou · 10/09/2021 01:27

Meh.

Sometimes bad things happen to bad people 🤷🏻‍♀️

LobsterNapkin · 10/09/2021 01:16

It's a very odd choice for the face of a government campaig.

I generally give quite a bit of scope for comedians to be completely non-PC and even offensive, as I think that's important for humour to be socially useful. I don't consider it necessarily represents anything to do with their private thoughts (unless it's actually a private setting, which tweets aren't.) If I find it a turn off or unfunny, I don't listen to it. Not being listened to for being unfunny is much more effective than canceling.

But I also can't help but think that if you live by cancel culture you will die by it and I won't shed tears. (Though I would give some credit to someone who then realized the problem and said so publicly.)

NiceGerbil · 10/09/2021 01:04

Got a link to dB tweet?

NiceGerbil · 10/09/2021 01:02

I doubt it I read the book.

Maybe he doesn't know that.

I mean who knows he's his own person iyswim.

TedImgoingmad · 10/09/2021 00:59

I see she has David Baddiel's support. DB published a book earlier this year about anti-semitism being treated too lightly by the public and the media. But she has been saying anti-semitic stuff too (allegedly), so what, it's ok with DB as long as it's in joke form?

Realyorkshiretea · 10/09/2021 00:52

The ‘heartfelt apology’ was only because she knew any attempts at deflection would make it worse for her.

No sympathy I’m afraid. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

Mantlemoose · 10/09/2021 00:48

Made me embarrassed to be Scottish ever since she started appearing in my news feeds. Cringeworthy to say the least. Just like arriving at the airport and being welcomed with 'pure deid brilliant'. I should also say DM was born and lived in Glasgow till early adulthood and most definitely doesn't speak like that!

TedImgoingmad · 10/09/2021 00:45

Which tweets are the ones she claims are fake? Are the X-factor ones referred to above real? If they are, my mind boggles that Dawn French, mother of a black child, would support Godley.

Skinnytailedsquirrel · 10/09/2021 00:26

She's vile.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 10/09/2021 00:20

I'm surprised there isn't anything cited from this year, tbh.

KimikosNightmare · 10/09/2021 00:14

@QueenPeary

I follow several trans allies for various reasons and she is one. She sometimes makes me laugh and I find her interesting. I actually really admired her apology. You don't often see a heartfelt, unreserved apology and acceptance of criticism as she has. She's also far from the only person to do what she did and many others men don't get any comeback for it.

I don't really like any kind of Twitter pile-on, whoever it is. Not even Owen Jones! It's mob justice and regressive.

Oh come off it. This odious woman is sorry she was found out- nothing more than that.

Some of the tweets are as recent as 2017- when she was 57. These aren't the tweets of a silly teenager.

KimikosNightmare · 10/09/2021 00:11

I'm enjoying it. I haven't a shred of sympathy for her.

MiladyBerserko · 10/09/2021 00:00

So when will she be approached by Police Scotland and charged under the Malicious Communications act or whatever it was that they charged Marion Miller with?

Isn't this the very hate that the Scottish Government put signs up all over cities about?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 09/09/2021 23:13

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

Her problem is she has blocked most of the internet. So she believes her own hype.

The problem is not what she said, that's not a secret, she's not hidden it. The problem is that someone at the scottish government didn't do due diligence before making her the face of the new covid campaign.

This is what happens when you don't listen to people. Holyrood is an echo chamber and someone has really fucked up.

Janey has piled on many, many people. I'm not that sympathetic, though I do think she's been dumped from a shitty height for someone else's mistake.

Am looking forward to the Daly Record, LOJ, Gaiman, Amanda Palmer, the Scottish Trans Alliance, Patrick Harvie, and Nicola Sturgeon all standing up for her.

Nothing so far, I see.

This.

Godley has a very loyal following on twitter who defend her whatever she does and she is very heavy on the block button if anyone disagrees with her. Not particularly unusual, but she is also somewhat notorious on UK twitter for orchestrating pile-ons of her loyal followers on to ordinary twitter users, particularly GC feminists.

However, Holyrood obviously know none of this. If I'd had to pick someone for the health campaign, I would have carefully reviewed her twitter timeline to head this off, or not employed Godley at all. Not because she disagrees with me (my personal disagreements stay at home!) but because of the way she expresses her opinions.

A health campaign really needs to have cross-section appeal, not just be a hit with one demographic.

OperationDessertStorm · 09/09/2021 23:04

I got the impression that she was insulting and ‘phobic and nasty about everyone (I mean we could probably cherry pick South Park quotes in a way that would look utterly damning when put together). But what she has said is indefensible and pretty shocking. It’s the sort of Jim Davidson stuff that still attracts a small group.

I presume she’s gotten away with it for so long is the same as Frankie - the t ally defence has bought her some time. It gives me hope that Frankie could be next.

I don’t like pile ons (and I bet everyone doing it will have something in their tweets that could be swung back on them) but if she wants to object to women tweeting about single sex spaces then I don’t think she has a toenail to stand on.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 09/09/2021 23:02

louise?

What does her humour is animal mean?

Is it literally animal or an autocorrect?

Fitt · 09/09/2021 23:01

Well that's embarrassing if Nicola Sturgeon claims her as her alter ego. Would Nicola like to be tweeting those things if she could? How interesting.

PlayYouLikeAShark · 09/09/2021 23:00

@FloralBunting

She'll be fine. She's already had soothing noises from some prominent Genderists. As long as she bangs out the hand wringing apology (check) and reiterates her commitment to the cause, keeps her head down for a bit, she'll be back on Twitter in a couple of months ripping holes in women's rights for all she's worth.

She's getting rightly criticised for saying awful things. When she's spearheaded pile ons directed towards women like Sister Outrider for campaigning for women, it's not even slightly comparable. Sorry, but bullying people because you disagree with them is not on - being criticized for using despicable racist and ableist slurs is absolutely how social pressure is supposed to work, especially if someone is claiming to stand for some sort of progressive utopia.

But like I say, I really wouldn't feel too bad for her if I were you. No one gets fully cancelled so long as they submit to the Genderist party line. Godley's a true believer. It's only women like us who resist that get properly shat on.

This says it better than I did. 👌
FloralBunting · 09/09/2021 23:00

'TWAW' dear. I'm sure you're well aware of that load of old pony.

FuckPilledLatteplus · 09/09/2021 22:59

Government sure loves associating with freaks

louisemichelle · 09/09/2021 22:58

What’s the genderist party line? Do tell.

PlayYouLikeAShark · 09/09/2021 22:57

I think it's an interesting phenomenon - watching the very people who often start or join in public shaming & monstering of people who are deemed unworthy, fall foul of their own 'moral code'. I dislike the pile ons, I think social media shaming & harassment (which Godley has gladly engaged in) is a scourge & it shouldn't be as all encompassing & influential as it is.

That said, Godley has been hoisted by her own petard here. One example - She encouraged & contributed to the efforts to discredit SNP political opponents when she retweeted Alex Arthur's dodgy tweets while smearing that party. His tweets were bad, yet pale in comparison to Godley's. She was quite happy to contribute to that (while enjoying the support of the SNP as it suited them to have another candidate opponent/party discredited).

I agree it's unpleasant to watch but given the nature, volume & seriousness of what she's posted, she's fortunate to have Sturgeon in her corner as otherwise she could be facing what Marion Millar is dealing with. MM of course is someone else Godley has contributed to smearing for the 'kudos' that piling on women defending their rights gets 'trans allies'.

She's not a child, she's a grown woman who claimed moral superiority over plenty of others & she knew her language was offensive but felt no compunction to change even when pointing her judgement at others for the 'likes'. I have very little sympathy for her, while having the opinion that all social media shaming is just wrong.

She'll bounce back though as she's already got the SNP equalities convener ready to administer 'rehabilitation' as she's not like those bigoted women who booed Sturgeon - they're beyond redemption.

Fitt · 09/09/2021 22:57

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