Not enjoying the Janey Godley pile on....

Thank you. :)

Here, Hirples

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b5c99df0-1337-11ec-b01e-096275f2ac22?shareToken=fd69bed446a99cee290b4b3de344fa45

[quote ArabellaScott]A good article in the TImes from Euan McColm. I thought it was fair and pretty insightful on the arts/SNP situation in Scotland:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shes-behind-you-why-crony-janey-godley-fell-flat-khxsgtxzx[/quote]
Do you have a share token or archived version, please?

TedImfoingmad I also thought it was very odd for David Baddeil to stick up for JG.

I don't agree at all that Alf Garnett was a sympathetic character to the working class (as though we're one homogenous lump!). He was quite definitely a figure of fun. His whole family were laughing at him quite openly and treated his rants with amused contempt.

We'd laugh at the real life Alf Garnetts, too, and challenge them in just the same way. Where do you think the writer got his ideas from?

A good article in the TImes from Euan McColm. I thought it was fair and pretty insightful on the arts/SNP situation in Scotland:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shes-behind-you-why-crony-janey-godley-fell-flat-khxsgtxzx

I wonder if Karen Dunbar would have been a better choice for the campaign? She's a lot funnier than Godley.

I was disappointed however at finding out about the "Dykey D Rapper" sketch Dunbar did at a separatist rally supposedly to lampoon Ruth Davidson.

Dunbar shrugged off any criticism on the basis she is also a lesbian so how could it possibly be offensive? Cherry thought it “hilariously irreverent satire"
Sturgeon eventually got round to condemning the performance.

It does seem pathetic that a comedian intending to satirise and lampoon a politician should do so by reference to the politician's sexual orientation.

To be fair though I think that since the interview Konstantin Kisin has commented on the unfairness of some of the comments in the chat.

I watched that video the other day and I was mesmerised by the real-time chats.

They were largely angry, unpleasant, and paranoid with Dunbar's questions, in the form of mild, challenges, being perceived as unfair and aggressively attacks. Everything she said or didn't say was perceived as her being brainwashed in woke ideology. Her attempt at a neutral stance, not always successful, she often appeared to be agreeing with the interviewees, was seen as evidence of her stupidity, her inability to see the true path, and that she was easily swayed. Lots of derogatory comments about her appearance.

The widespread inability to understand the role of an interviewer and the need for them to prompt the interviewees to open up, to not push a particular line, and to be very much in the background, was just amazing.

This particular group of free speech supporters, mainly leaning to the right, are in a number of ways a mirror image of the progressive woke. To think that many of them would sneeringly use the word snowflake about their opponents while looking in a mirror is very amusing.

A very on topic discussion here, with the Triggernometry fellows being interviewed by comedian, Karen Dunbar, for the BBC.

@MrsCornelius thank you. I didn't know what was being referred to by David Baddiel as a fake tweet, but that looks like it could be the one.

I just found it curious that a person who has written a book about racism towards a certain group being increasingly prevalent and going unchecked would defend JG, who has undoubtedly tweeted racist and disabilist "jokes", on the basis of, presumably, comedy being untouchable. Because surely he would not have leapt to the defence of anyone saying that stuff as mere commentary?

Yes, but the ideal person would be someone who's generally liked in Scotland and there are a good choice of therm - whereas Godley, even if you love her (/think she's your alter ego), is clearly divisive.

Agree. For instance I think JKR is fabulous, but leaving aside recent issues, I would assume that her strong stance on Brexit and Scottish independence - issues that have split the U.K./Scotland 50/50 would compromise her ability to deliver a public health message for the government. You need somebody who is apolitical.

NS seems to have confused campaigning with governing.

That's why I'd love to see the strategy...

@tedimgoingmad I tweeted a screenshot of 2 tweets supposed to be made by Godley which were clearly and directly racist and antisemitic. I’ve since been informed that they’re fakes, so deleted my tweet.
I’m not sure if that’s what you’re referring to?

The fake pic is this:
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Kimoko that makes no sense

Why would she report it as a hate crime when that was not what her issue was?

She was concerned about the govt using her as a face of a campaign given some of the things she had come out with. So she told the govt her concerns.

Nothing to do with the police.

It depends on who they wanted to target the message to?

Yes, but the ideal person would be someone who's generally liked in Scotland and there are a good choice of therm - whereas Godley, even if you love her (/think she's your alter ego), is clearly divisive.

What I meant was that it was acknowledged but never forwarded to anywhere else where it could have been logged properly and action taken to avoid this current debacle

A letter was sent, read and replied to. The reply even said that if Leya @Leyanelle thought the tweets were hate crimes she could report them. You are making very flimsy excuses.

I'd suspect the complaint never made it to the correct inbox!

Oh dearie me, no Leya@Leyanelle followed up her complaint in June this year by letter and got a hard copy reply brushing off her concerns.

(I mean who could have potentially done it obv - they'd have to find someone who was willing, available and politically on board and I don't know if those specific people are - but my point is there are plenty who could have been approached.)

I mean there are plenty of lovely and beloved scottish stars who could have done it. Hesitant to list them in case they all turn out to have a history of dodgy tweets :o, but Martin Compston, Kelly Macdonald, Billy Connolly, David Tennant, Jane McCarry, Jackie Bird etc spring to mind.

@PlayYouLikeAShark @EmbarrassingAdmissions
Aargh can't quote a quote!

I'd suspect the complaint never made it to the correct inbox!

Civil servants working in marketing/press, are employed to explain government policy. A "celebrity" can help to reach a particular demographic, so at the start of a plan, research would have identified those who were unaware of a policy or not complying, and a campaign built around reaching them.

This doesn't always mean using a celeb, I once managed a campaign to communicate a key policy to a section of the community, which involved info delivered outside mainstream media, think beer mats, takeaway cartons...

Using a celeb you'd normally identify someone who'd appeal to the target audience, research them, get a shortlist, approach agents etc then get the campaign approved at ministerial level.

However, there is another group of civil servants who are able to be politically motivated, the Special Advisor.
They are in a position to influence and push a party political line, so suggesting a celebrity of the "correct" political leanings could be something they'd do...

I would have expected Janey's social media to have been looked at, so personally I think a decision was made to ignore "problem tweets" in favour of reaching the campaign objectives...

But what I find weird is that SJW and transactivists tend to go to great lengths to be, or appear to be, anti-racist, always displaying BLM stuff, talking about intersectionality, slagging off "white feminists" etc.

Now, I think they are wrong (in that in fact genderism is very white /MC/first world and as recently discussed, doesn't give two hoots about the black, Asian etc women around the world for whom sex matters very much in their oppression - not to mention paralleling black women with trans women as a "kind of woman" and soo on).

BUT since they are very keen to appear anti-racist, why is it that racism is given a pass just because someone is mates with NS / SNP / a genderwoo advocate? You'd think they would be really careful to keep racism out of it - even if they don't actually care, but for the sake of optics. I mean if I was Nicola and had had the facts presented to me as described here, I'd be saying "Sorry Janey it's not a good look, we need someone squeaky clean" - that can't be that hard surely?