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Another UK Police and Crime Commissioner speaks out

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ChristinaXYZ · 09/09/2021 14:33

Philip Wilkinson, new PCC for Swindon and Wiltshire

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9973107/PCC-warns-biological-men-not-allowed-womens-toilets-prisons-security-fears.html

or if you prefer

archive.is/qDLjf

Initially at least three other Conservative PCCs went public to say that they shared her concerns – Donna Jones, the PCC for Hampshire & Isle of Wight, Marc Jones, for Lincolnshire, and Rupert Mathews, who serves as the PCC for Leicestershire and other like Philip Allott of North Yorks retweeted Marc Jones' support.

Again, all Tories. UK Labour Party is utterly, utterly lost on this.

Conservative Home has asked all Conservative PCCs for their thought and some more have responded:

www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2021/09/stonewall-controversy-more-views-from-conservative-police-and-crime-commissioners.html

If you have a Conservative PCC then it may well be worth writing to them asking if they agree with their colleagues above and what they'll be doing to promote women's safety in their area and enforcing impartiality within their police force. The more that come out, the more that will feel able to speak up.

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Nachthex · 09/09/2021 17:23

I've been trying to find Philip Wilkinson's actual, full statement and not the DM or anyone else's rehash of what they claim he said. Can't find it. Couldn't bring myself to read Pink News's version. As we all know and keep saying, it's the male that's the problem. But there are lots of comments about trans people being allowed to use whatever facilities they want etc, clearly exhibiting ignorance of the law. Helen Belcher wading in, inevitably, saying the same. So depressing we ever got to this but the tide is turning just a bit at least.

FrancesGumm · 09/09/2021 17:14

By the way - I’m not including intersex in with trans and non binary myself - this is just how they worded it on the report.

FindTheTruth · 09/09/2021 17:06

When will public bodies including the police and those in the justice system see the HUGE difference between Ideology, equal rights (aka living in peace side by side) and safeguarding?

OhHolyJesus · 09/09/2021 17:00

I remember the Survivors Network, I think their inclusion policy stretches to their recruitment, for roles that would be providing support for child victims.

FrancesGumm · 09/09/2021 16:50

OP - yes it was a brilliant statement from Philip Wilkinson.

I will write to mine who is Katy Bourne , Sussex. I did look online though (no idea how to link a page or anything) but there is a report just issued it’s on survivorsnetwork.org.uk/new-report-tnbi-survivors and it’s been commissioned jointly with Sussex PCC.
The first recommendation is ‘trans inclusion in existing spaces’ which to me sounds like pushing for males to be accepted in women’s rape shelters/discussion groups etc. The second recommendation is ‘trans and non-binary specific spaces’. It look like they’ve consulted trans, non-binary and intersex community on their needs, but makes no reference to the needs of women.
So basically they’re suggesting they get to both access women’s single sex spaces and also have their own separate spaces at the same time.

Katy Bourne , being Sussex covers Brighton. (The Survivors Network is also Brighton based. )
I am going to draft an email querying her opinion on Philip Wilkinson and Lisa Townsend’s points, but also reference this report and how it aims to maintain single sex spaces for women.

Nachthex · 09/09/2021 16:45

They are coming out now aren't they? And, as ever, it's interesting to watch how 'men' and 'males' is being interpreted as TW. With a background like his, the PCC should be a difficult man for the gender ideologists to shoot down. But he's a man, so will probably not suffer so badly.

ChristinaXYZ · 09/09/2021 16:34

Commenting on my own thread to give it a fresh start as it was buried for quite awhile on approval apparently. I am glad Mumsnet net decided it was ok to keep.

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