Nicola Sturgeon shouts “shame on you” to Tory MSP who mentioned last week’s demo

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]I just came across this. Imagine how the average woman would react.

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This is horrifying. The sheer aggression, and obviously relishing upsetting a woman by being there.

And what exactly is the stick?? It looks very threatening despite the pastel colours 🤔

I think there needs to be another street engagement campaign like the one FPFW did in England in 2018. They could encourage people to write to their MSPs, or sign a petition.

I've thought that there's going to be backlash against GNC and gay people before this is over too.
If TRAs think the average man on the street will stand by and watch while obviously male people enter spaces with their daughters, wives and mothers, they're more naive than I thought.

Do these people and their cheerleaders ever just stop and think? (I already know the answer)

I bet she knows exactly what happened at the protest, and that's why she's uncomfortable with it being brought up, not because she cares about the women, but because it's not great optics.

I think we had a thread about that person.

[quote PurgatoryOfPotholes]I just came across this. Imagine how the average woman would react.

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Well you have those two aggressive protesters to contend with - check shirt and "Witch, witch, witch!". That's the sort of person Scottish women could be encountering in their spaces - it beggars 9belief. Did Sturgeon see the videos of the protest?? Does she care?

I just came across this. Imagine how the average woman would react.

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There is no principle there. It's just trying to manipulate women into sabotaging their own campaign's effectiveness, isn't it?

Yes it is. So there need to be more demonstrations, if they don't like those. Bigger ones. Until they have to acknowledge the unpopularity of their proposals.

There is no principle there. It's just trying to manipulate women into sabotaging their own campaign's effectiveness, isn't it?

Yep. Emotional blackmail and smearing are very low tactics.

I am very glad to see that Roddy Dunlop is engaging

mobile.twitter.com/RoddyQC/status/1435716816794492932

Sophoclesthefox

That's a bloody good point.

So women are expected to forego lobbying parliament, and to avoid speaking to our own MPs. If we do lobby for our interests, we're collaborators with those driving austerity measures.

But trans activists can work within official channels and open discussiona with parliamentary committees for the legislative changes they want without being called fascists?!

There is no principle there. It's just trying to manipulate women into sabotaging their own campaign's effectiveness, isn't it?

What a foul piece of work Godley is.

In a statement, Ms Godley said: “These historic tweets that people have quite rightly found offensive are deeply hurtful and shows my lack of empathy and zero self-awareness and come from a time of ignorance in my life

Godley is 60- some of these tweets are as recent as 2017.

There really is no excuse for using a slur for disabled people that was recognised as unacceptable in the 1990s ffs.

She's awful. I think the 'fame' she got from holding that 'Trump is a cunt' sign went to her head and she sees herself as judge, jury and executioner.

The amount of pile ons she has led on twitter (not exclusively towards GC people but an awful lot), although I don't believe in cancel culture and the pitchfork mob, I am only human and admit to a little schadenfreude here.

As they say, there's always a tweet .

Come on people, @CatherinaJTV’s position is very clear! They’ve certainly maintained it across enough threads now.

It is unethical to work with Tories, because of the destructive havoc wreaked on women’s lives through their austerity programme. Anyone who does so is a fascist.

UNLESS it involves working with the Tories on the committees involved in the ongoing process of proposed GRA reform in England and Wales, such as giving evidence to the Women and Minorites Select Committee on the continuing work on reform of the GRA in E&W, such as this evidence session on the 8th April 2021, attended by representatives from Stonewall, GIRES, The Beaumont society and Mermaids. The Committee is chaired by Caroline Nokes, MP (Conservative), and has a Tory majority membership.

committees.parliament.uk/event/4042/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

For some reason, though, there’s an invisibility field on my posts for Catherina, or I’m sure they’d be able to clear up my continuing confusion over when it makes you a fascist to work with Tories, and when it doesn’t.

Anyway, back to Nichola. She certainly seems to have got the memo that standing up for women’s rights and indeed defending everyone’s right to peaceful demonstration is something that transactivists think women can be shamed out of.

It’s not. And it should worry anyone that the First Minister is calling a peaceful demonstration shameful, regardless of what you think of the cause.

Because she is one of the very few elected representatives with eloquence, brains and credibility. It’s a shallow talent pool.

This about Kate Forbes. Also Andy Wightman (much good it did him). The Scottish Tory MSPs are intellectual giants compared to most of the SNP and Greens. And that’s really not much of a compliment.

KimikosNightmare

Godley is 60- some of these tweets are as recent as 2017.

Gosh, I thought she was in her 30s. I only know of Janey from twitter, where disputes involving her as a protagonist seem to frequently cross my timeline.

Look Catherina, you can try to intimidate left-leaning ex-Guardian reading Mumsnetters into silence by calling them right-wing, but at some point it loses its power, as can be seen.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, the Conservative party reliably wins a plurality of votes and therefore elections, and does so without worrying itself about the denizens of FWR. Are you shouting "right wing bigot" at the wider voting public? No, because you know that it never had any power on them to start with. The only people affected by phrases like "you're a right winger" are lefties. Conservative voters just say, "yeah, and?"

So clearly you think this is a left-wing forum too. So let's drop the grandstanding and discuss the wider voting public. They will not shrug their shoulders and forget about this issue as the social ramifications become more visible.

If Dave and Kim the floating voters from up the road take their daughter Vicky swimming at the weekend, and they see someone like Alex Drummond or Karen White going into the ladies' changing room, they're not going to worry about being seen as Conservative voters, are they? What about when it's not even-tempered Dave and Kim seeing this, but a hot-headed young man who has just heard about an Alex Drummond lookalike turning up at his mum's women-only swimming session?

Carry on like this, and you will reap a social harvest of violent transphobia.

Well that just goes to show how much she has listenedto women's concerns. It brings into question the legitimacy of the consultation. Can there be a judicial review of this?

AND they get to oppose Nicola Sturgeon

Oh ha, ha, - it's their job description. The Conservative Party is the opposition.

[quote ScreamingMeMe]Here's another SNP scandal.

I bet any one of us who is/was on twitter has witnessed a Janey Godley led pile-on and her disgusting, vitriolic tweets. A

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What a foul piece of work Godley is.

In a statement, Ms Godley said: “These historic tweets that people have quite rightly found offensive are deeply hurtful and shows my lack of empathy and zero self-awareness and come from a time of ignorance in my life

Godley is 60- some of these tweets are as recent as 2017.

I just don't understand how anyone can present a reform of the GRA and be okay with leaving Section 16 as it stands: it negates the argument that TWAW and TMAM. If so, Section 16 is a denial of their identity.

Section 16 is about primogeniture.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/16?view=extent

So if you're a trans woman you're a woman, unless you're down to inherit a peerage in which case you're a man. But do feel free to undress in women's spaces and accept awards for women and take places on women-only shortlists, after all, you're only a man for money/property-ownership/status purposes.

You can't have it both ways! Or, to put it another way, why can an exemption be made for peerages (not transphobic) but not for rape crisis services and women's shelters (transphobic).

The utter blindness to this - by advocates and allies to the reform - makes my blood boil. Either total ignorance or total hypocrisy.

I didn’t report the posts, but I was genuinely taken aback at the automatic assumption that if you’re concerned about women’s rights at all, you are brimming full of hate and a fascist to boot.
Think I’ll go back to lurking if that’s the quality of ‘debate’.

Oh yes, I think all Catherine's posts should stand, please dont report them

Thank you, Waitwhat

That's boring. I really wanted her to engage with the chain of causation post-GRA reform.