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What does she/they actually mean?

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bocodilloconqueso · 07/09/2021 21:18

I noticed that a colleague has put She/they as her (their?) pronouns. I need help to understand this please?
I barely know them so don't feel comfortable asking. Particularly as there are always other people around.
Can anyone enlighten me? Confused

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DdraigGoch · 08/09/2021 21:03

@anaily

In my post above i used both she and they, it's a non issue.
So much of a 'non-issue' that they apparently feel obliged to spell out that they are fine with "they" being used when the rest of us don't give it a second thought.
cheesegloriouscheeseyum · 08/09/2021 20:43

@anaily

In my post above i used both she and they, it's a non issue.
Well you'd think, wouldn't you. It's completely normal to not use "they" in an article about someone, grammatically there is no need to use they. But some people are offended by this so expect "they" to be shoe-horned in just to validate them. Why the need for she and they? Just why?
anaily · 08/09/2021 20:35

In my post above i used both she and they, it's a non issue.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/09/2021 20:24

@anaily

How does one "presents as female"?
How does one present as non binary?
cheesegloriouscheeseyum · 08/09/2021 20:14

@anaily

It simply means the individual goes by she/her/they/them pronouns, that they would be comfortable with those pronouns being used for her. Just like I've demonstrated in this reply. It's not hard or complicated.
But if you look at @miri1985 's post from yesterday, some people get annoyed / upset if both "she" and "they" aren't used. So it's not as simple as you make out, is it?
anaily · 08/09/2021 20:03

How does one "presents as female"?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/09/2021 19:43

Great! I’ll continue to use she or her pronouns for a biological woman who presents as female then

anaily · 08/09/2021 19:30

It simply means the individual goes by she/her/they/them pronouns, that they would be comfortable with those pronouns being used for her. Just like I've demonstrated in this reply. It's not hard or complicated.

ValancyRedfern · 08/09/2021 18:57

There's a teacher at dd's school who is a Mx (pronounced Mix) who explains to the students she is non-binary and indeed she was born non-binary. She is a young woman with short hair, which seems to be what non-binary means. Dd, who has been taught gender stereotypes are a load of rubbish, has a lot of questions....

Bambooshoot · 08/09/2021 15:13

I wouldn’t want someone who calls themselves “Mx” teaching my child.

Beowulfa · 08/09/2021 12:35

@CurrantTeacake

How does one pronounce Mx?
Like you have a hairball, I've always assumed.
SirSamuelVimes · 08/09/2021 12:22

It means "I'm not like all the other girls".

Or "I'm the cool girl".

Or, more succinctly, "I'm a dickhead".

CurrantTeacake · 08/09/2021 12:18

How does one pronounce Mx?

DdraigGoch · 08/09/2021 10:49

"I'm a heterosexual white woman but that's not different enough so call me 'they', but not all of the time."

Purely attention seeking.

Mascia · 08/09/2021 10:40

@Cyberworrier

A friend who does this self identifies as queer, despite being married and only ever having had heterosexual relationships. So I think it may be a way of signalling “queerness” (or- I’m not like other girls 🙄)
That’s my feeling too. I know a woman who is married with two kids and who started using she/them pronouns and describing herself as non-binary on Instagram a year or so ago. Nothing about the way she dresses or carries herself is particularly gender non-conforming. She does seem to have a fair amount of time on her hands though (not working and the kids are (pre)teens, so no babies/ toddlers to look after). She’s a nice woman, but I’m not sure what point she is trying to make apart from wanting to seem super progressive/woke?
Whitefire · 08/09/2021 07:30

While preferences differ for each person, generally when people use multiple pronouns, it is best to use them interchangeably unless they specify otherwise.

How is this anything other than attention seeking? It would end up as a confusing read and probably still risk offence as the balance wouldn't be right (or even used and it shouldn't be).

"Celebrities" used to worry themselves about blatant untruths, now it is about which pronoun is used and even the correct ones get them in trouble.

GeorgiaMcGraw · 08/09/2021 07:25

"She/they", a bit like "mx", means "please give me attention. I am so very cool. No, I don't want surgery, but sometimes I wear mis-matching eye shadow. Validate me."

TurquoiseBaubles · 08/09/2021 07:18

www.them.us/story/multiple-sets-of-pronouns

Here you go. This was posted on another thread and explains clearly. Read it if you have nothing else to do this morning and don't mind your brain exploding Grin

BreatheAndFocus · 08/09/2021 07:08

An acquaintance has she/they as their pronouns and identifies as non-binary. Their full and utterly special identity is ‘femme non-binary trans’ or possibly those words are in a different order 🤔 It’s meaningless drivel and best ignored IMO. I wouldn’t be asking them about it as that’s what they’re after - attention.

NiceGerbil · 08/09/2021 00:39

Ms still gets asked for an explanation though.

Or is subject to random assumptions.

Sorry I think we're not going to agree are we!

NiceGerbil · 08/09/2021 00:38

But Mx does not mean bisexual

And also is not generally to do with trans identities, from what I have read.

Just my view but I would have said it's just a title. Who knows why. It doesn't indicate anything. Your teacher's sexuality is none of your business.

It's really important to support teachers. They have a really hard job.

This teacher obviously has gossip about who they fancy. That's not right.

It's a title. Mx. Not necessarily to do with trans and certainly not with sexuality.

In the end you don't know why they use it.

I dunno I'd just say. Hardly a big deal. Speculating about teachers is not on. (And it's always happened). Is she a good teacher? That's all that matters.

If a teacher starts teaching nonsense then ok.

But that's not happening. It's a title. With no obvious views etc attached.

bocodilloconqueso · 08/09/2021 00:20

@NiceGerbil
Yes they do by Mx, it's written in his teacher list.
He made the comment about them being bisexual as that's what his friend had told him. I corrected him.
As I explained earlier, my 9yo's take on it is exactly that. You're a boy or a girl and you know what you are by what sex organs you have.

I use Ms on occasions. It's personal choice. But if there going to be one Mx in a sea of Ms, Mr and Mrs, it's going to raise a comment and need an explanation.

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NiceGerbil · 08/09/2021 00:13

How old is your older son? You don't have to reply.

I think this has aggravated me because I'm a Ms since 15 and I've been told it means lesbian/ divorced. Or. But that's for angry feminists that doesn't make sense.

Change my title to miss left right and centre.

Sorry if I seem to be having a go.

We have 3 titles and none are neutral.
Men have one and it is neutral.

Always pissed me off.

NiceGerbil · 08/09/2021 00:09

One son speculated on the sexuality of a teacher female teacher.

That's not on. Or for a male teacher.

It's a title nothing to do with sexuality.

How old is he? Why is he even reporting this back to you?

It's easily handled. The teacher's sexuality is none of your business. Mx is a title some use like Mr or Ms.

The other son said they need to look at their bits.

In the context of a teacher that's not on. It's all ha ha ha how ridiculous are they. Not right. And he's only 9.

And Mx doesn't necessarily have anything to do with gender. Not my thing but women do use it for other reasons of their own.

There is nothing to indicate that this teacher doesn't know what sex she is. Speculating on sexuality is not on. All this from a title?

And in the end. Are you even sure that's even her title.

Loads of people are still iffy about Ms.

Hdhdjejdj · 07/09/2021 23:56

I noticed this on a zoom meeting recently. He/they. I didn’t understand it. Then again we had to spent around 15 minutes having everyone announce their pronouns. It took up a lot of precious time that I feel could have been better spent taking about the subject matter of the meeting.

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