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Guardian article: “ Judith Butler: ‘We need to rethink the category of woman“

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SuperSleepyBaby · 07/09/2021 19:27

See this article in the Guardian:

www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/07/judith-butler-interview-gender

One of the questions asked was “ It seems that some within feminist movements are becoming sympathetic to these far-right campaigns. This year’s furore around Wi Spa in Los Angeles saw an online outrage by transphobes followed by bloody protests organised by the Proud Boys. Can we expect this alliance to continue?”.....

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RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:55

It was originally a 16 year old that came up with it

And his MOTHER received death threats

Blibbyblobby · 07/09/2021 22:54

@BrozTito

Straight western women cool running with fascism. Suprise. The pretence that you ever cared about gay people like me and others was always transparent to us anyway. Oh but you ''enjoy' it though....
Oh dear. I see what happened here. You only know about Super Straight.

You missed Super Gay and Super Lesbian didn't you? That's a bit embarrassing for you.

And a real shame, because that was the good bit.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:54

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Waitwhat23 · 07/09/2021 22:51

The superstaight thing appeared to be started on Tiktok by a 16 year old as a joke. Given that the colours chosen for the Superstraight flag were black and orange, colours associated with Grindr and Pornhub, I'm assuming that was also part of the joke. 4Chan seems to have then picked it up and taken it seriously.

Despite this, people did identify with the idea behind it because lesbians (in particular) are being told that they are transphobic for not çonsidering transwomen as sexual partners, that they have a 'genital fetish'. Even an organisation supposed to campaign and fight for their rights has redefined homosexuality as same gender attraction. An organisation set up to support same sex attraction is constantly under attack with constant, insistent calls for its charitable status to be revoked.

I have no doubt that the far right is anti woman. Unfortunately, the far left and most of the rest of the political spectrum also appear to hate women. In Scotland, our 'liberal', 'inclusive' left leaning government is hell bent on destroying women's rights.

I would have described myself as a liberal lefty. Now, I really don't know where I stand.

Make no mistake. The left hates women. They just couch it in 'inclusive' rhetoric.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:48

@BrozTito

Straight western women cool running with fascism. Suprise. The pretence that you ever cared about gay people like me and others was always transparent to us anyway. Oh but you ''enjoy' it though....
Are you on a different thread?
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:47

You're trying to pretend you dont know that the far right hates feminism?

I honestly dont think anyone is pretending this

BrozTito · 07/09/2021 22:47

Straight western women cool running with fascism. Suprise. The pretence that you ever cared about gay people like me and others was always transparent to us anyway. Oh but you ''enjoy' it though....

Blibbyblobby · 07/09/2021 22:45

Ah, how convenient. Despite cross posting with BrozTito's last couple of gems, my post utterly fits as a response to both.

BrozTito · 07/09/2021 22:44

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Blibbyblobby · 07/09/2021 22:44

@BrozTito

Loads of GC happily went along with that super straight stuff despite it coming from far right misogynists.
You are wrong about who started Super Straight.

Certainly some right wing people enjoyed it for right wing reasons. (Didn't notice it being particularly misogynistic though, certainly not compared to the misogynistic cluster fuck that is a typical TRA pile on).

But many many genuinely (as opposed to "identify as") tolerant, accepting and progressive people enjoyed watching the regressive and authoritarian gender ideology get hoist by its own petard.

So again.

When two very different, indeed usually diametrically opposed groups are saying you are wrong, it does not mean they have suddenly despite all their differences become allies, it means you are so very, very wrong that even groups with nothing else at all in common can see it.

BrozTito · 07/09/2021 22:41

Amusing how much some of you are similar to the twitter trans mob, becoming so extreme you block out extremism and absurdities if it fits your purpose. You're trying to pretend you dont know that the far right hates feminism?

Etinox · 07/09/2021 22:39

@MiladyBerserko

We need to rethink the category of 'academic'
Grin 👏💪
RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:38

[quote BrozTito]www.bergenpflag.com/transphobic-trend-super-straight-has-links-to-the-far-right-and-neo-nazis/[/quote]
So the 16 year old was a neo nazi as well

Fucking hell im even more shocked

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 07/09/2021 22:38

I think she's coming across as arrogant and intellectually challenged. Bold statements with no evidence. Complete misunderstanding of concerns about gender ideology. Who on earth gave her a platform?

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:37

@Thelnebriati

My post has been reported. It contains the archived link to the original version of the article.
Wonder if it will be back

Rewriting of history rarely ends well

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:36

@BrozTito

Loads of GC happily went along with that super straight stuff despite it coming from far right misogynists.
16 year olds

Fuck me they start young!

Thelnebriati · 07/09/2021 22:35

How inconvenient for your narrative that the far right hates feminists.

BrozTito · 07/09/2021 22:33

Loads of GC happily went along with that super straight stuff despite it coming from far right misogynists.

Thelnebriati · 07/09/2021 22:33

My post has been reported. It contains the archived link to the original version of the article.

RufustheBadgeringReindeer · 07/09/2021 22:30

Being gender critical has nothing to do with being super straight to my knowledge

I don’t see what its got to do with being far right either

It was started by a 16 year old child

Thelnebriati · 07/09/2021 22:27

The original version has been archived;

archive.is/jds9K

tilder · 07/09/2021 22:22

@BrozTito

Im gc but there is definite cosying up to far right stuff going on. That super straight crap for a start
Being gender critical has nothing to do with being super straight to my knowledge.
SpindleWhorl · 07/09/2021 22:19

@SuperSleepyBaby

The question I quoted is gone from the article? It was there one hour ago but they edited the article and deleted it? Is that right?
Oh how interesting ...
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