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Scotland to go ahead with self-ID? In the name of the wee man...

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KittenKong · 07/09/2021 15:23

I saw a tweet saying that this is so - can’t see anything else though.

Tell me it’s not true...

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KittenKong · 07/09/2021 17:38

Who exactly is she trying to appease. Because 13 year olds don’t have the vote.

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PronounssheRa · 07/09/2021 17:38

@littlbrowndog

Yep 17000 responses from ordinary people were not released

They should have shown us them

Can they be FOI'd?
littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 17:36

Yep 17000 responses from ordinary people were not released

They should have shown us them

MiladyBerserko · 07/09/2021 17:32

Where are the Consultation responses Nicola?

Your government promised that they would be published, but instead have merely 'summarised' the private responses from individual women and attempted to put a spin on the results, citing self declared 'feminists' who are happy to give away the rights of women to males.

I would bet my left ear that the vast majority of responses SHOW clearly that women oppose this legislation and that it will have serious detrimental effect on their public life. THIS is why they are not being published.

Many women, myself included, testified their trauma and declared themselves willing to have their testimonies published, so fearful were we about the impact of self ID on our own and other women's lives. You have buried these testimonies. Furthermore, personal details are now known to the very many trans rights activists in your administration, many of whom frequently call women like us bigots on Twitter etc. I knew that was a risk, but I took the risk because the responses were to be published. This was a lie.

I will be investigating if this can be legally challenged.

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KittenKong · 07/09/2021 17:30

Well if it’s anything like my grandma... that might be fun. But then she was a young woman during WW2 and got up to allsorts.

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littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 17:26

How the fuck do you live as a woman

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KittenKong · 07/09/2021 17:26

Baking cookies and wearing lipstick? Donning a dress and swirling? Talking like Marilyn Monroe? Shaving your legs and plucking your brows? Calling yourself Titiana Divine? High heels?

What what what? No one has ever told me. I was not informed...

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littlbrowndog · 07/09/2021 17:24

It takes a 100 days in Scotland to identify as a woman

Then you are the same as any other woman

100 days living as a woman. Whatever that means

NewMutiny · 07/09/2021 17:24

If self ID comes in in Scotland then there won't be any way to gatekeep how 'Scottish' you have to be to access it. And TRA organisations will help people access a Scottish address or whatever they might need for admin.

So it will be de facto UK wide.

I think that is a point to make to UK politicians as well as MSPs.

334bu · 07/09/2021 17:13

Regarding key points have a look at For Women Scotland site.
forwomen.scot/

334bu · 07/09/2021 17:10

Remember you have 8 MSPs and send your email to all of them

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KittenKong · 07/09/2021 16:58

The time has come for my brother, brother in law and male cousins to rediscover their inner lassie... and cause havoc and mischief.

My grandfather would have had a bloody field day and would have really enjoyed it all (he hated bullies, was very assertive and had a wicked sense of humour). I’m not sure what dad would have thought - probably bemused (he didn’t ‘do’ angry).

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SirChenjins · 07/09/2021 16:57

*If I was going

SirChenjins · 07/09/2021 16:57

So if I can as going to write to my useless MSP what key points should I cover in my email?

MrsJackRackham · 07/09/2021 16:51

I'd love to write to my MSP but her staff are very sensitive and may spontaneously combust over a strongly worded email.
wingsoverscotland.com/the-great-ribbon-terror/comment-page-1/
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HirplesWithHaggis · 07/09/2021 16:44

And the SNP under Nicola doesn't even want independence, though they keep offering carrots to the faithful. GRA, that's grand though, and all the shit they're teaching kids.

SirChenjins · 07/09/2021 16:38

Aye - but c'mon, independence and all that...focus on the bigger picture please, ladies (of all kinds).

Joking aside, I'm fucking furious. This is now a one party state with all their madness supported and voted through by a party that got 1.3% fucking percent of the vote - and their followers completely blind to everything bar the end goal of indy.

Igneococcus · 07/09/2021 16:32

I’m trying to get a hold of my sister to see if she’s heard anything. If you hear a large explosion from Mull, that’s her...

I'd be able to see it too :)

Tibtom · 07/09/2021 16:25

@Itsinthetreesitscoming

No surprise but I think and I hope that NS may well have misunderstood public opposition to this.
Does it matter if she has? The SNP are profoundly undemocratic and vote en masse. Their MSPs only represent The Party and the Greens will vote it through.
Itsinthetreesitscoming · 07/09/2021 16:22

No surprise but I think and I hope that NS may well have misunderstood public opposition to this.

Babdoc · 07/09/2021 16:21

Welcome to Tartanistan, OP. Where women can be prosecuted for a hate crime if they object to having naked penises in their changing rooms. Courtesy of the SNP.
How any sane woman can vote for these misogynistic idiots is beyond me. God help us if we ever end up independent- there will be no higher authority left to appeal to for common sense and to overturn their vile legislation.

ditalini · 07/09/2021 16:19

The First Minister said she understood some people had “sincerely held concerns”, and insisted the changes would not remove any legal protections women currently had.

This means precisely nothing unless we know exactly the definition that NS and her government are using for the term "women".

Spoiler: it won't be adult human female.

Waitwhat23 · 07/09/2021 16:18

I don't think she will despite her statement that she's 'feminist to the tips of her fingers'. In the words of another poster -'Feminist? Are ye, aye?'

Thelnebriati · 07/09/2021 16:17

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

I get nervous of writing to my MSPs because I worry I'll miss something out or not be powerful enough to get their attention.

Don't suppose anyone's seen a draft letter or list of key points about why I need my elected representative to be able to define me as a person so he can protect my rights as a citizen?

Fucking raging.

Its much more important that you add your voice even if you only make one point. A short, concise letter is more effective anyway, imo.
BlackForestCake · 07/09/2021 16:16

I get nervous of writing to my MSPs

I get nervous of writing to my MSPs because I can’t feel sure anymorew that my name and address won’t end up on a list curated by a potentially dangerous and violent lunatic.