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The medieval / ancient 'one sex' model

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HeirloomTomato · 06/09/2021 17:42

I just read an article about the medieval / ancient approach to sex and gender. The writer termed it the 'one sex' model, with 'male' being the normal definitive sex and 'female' being a deficient, broken male. I remember encountering that attitude to women in Catholic theology but hadn't heard it referred to as the 'one sex' model before.

In any case, it occurred to me that TRAs are essentially taking us back to the middle ages by promoting the idea that gender exists on a spectrum and there is no such thing as 'female' biology. It erases the female experience and ignores the biological burden borne by women in reproduction. It silences women from speaking about the specific experience of living in a female body.

It's really no different to how women were treated in the middle ages or by the Catholic church: ignore the specific biology women have, assume 'male' is the default but - the TRA twist - allow said 'males' to define and express themselves in any way they want.

Yet we're supposed to be the ones on the wrong side of history... Hmm

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HeirloomTomato · 07/09/2021 01:43

@PlanDeRaccordement

It's a deeply regressive movement that tries to decouple biology from sex while simultaneously squeezing everyone into ever tighter gender norms.

But this never happened in the European Middle Ages. Sex was never decoupled from biology and gender was a binary. Today is nothing like the Middle Ages.

It's not that 'today is like the Middle Ages': the problem is the resurgence of a mindset that the male biological experience is based in fact and unproblematic while female bodies are a biological construct or fiction. Trans activism denies women the right to speak about our own bodies, just as Catholic theology used to. It problematizes female biology and turns it back into a taboo.
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PlanDeRaccordement · 06/09/2021 19:49

It's a deeply regressive movement that tries to decouple biology from sex while simultaneously squeezing everyone into ever tighter gender norms.

But this never happened in the European Middle Ages. Sex was never decoupled from biology and gender was a binary. Today is nothing like the Middle Ages.

QueenPeary · 06/09/2021 19:13

I find it horrifying that anyone think “non-males” is some kind of progressive, woke terminology, can they even hear themselves? It’s male as default and everyone not fully and properly male can just be lumped together including supposedly “feminine” males. Fuck that.

Clymene · 06/09/2021 18:58

@NotGCTUR

Oh please. I mean. Seriously?!? Mumsnet is the gift that keeps giving.
Do you have anything more cogent to add?

I agree with you OP. It's a deeply regressive movement that tries to decouple biology from sex while simultaneously squeezing everyone into ever tighter gender norms.

The difference between the Middle Ages and now is that this is driven by porn.

Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 06/09/2021 18:53

Yes. The Green Party tends to lump us all together as "non males" and I've noticed the phrase being used unironically in descriptions of upcoming events being open to non-male people.

NotGCTUR · 06/09/2021 17:49

Oh please. I mean. Seriously?!? Mumsnet is the gift that keeps giving.

PlanDeRaccordement · 06/09/2021 17:46

No, I don’t agree that the current gender ideology is in any way similar to the Middle Ages view on male as the default sex. Both are bad, yes, but they are not alike. So it’s not regressive, but progressive just in the wrong direction.

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