Transman wins lawsuit agains school board (Virginia) [Title edited by MNHQ at poster's request]

If you're under the imagination that they're open to people of the same sex, you've... really not listened to either butch women or trans people.

Butch women look like women. A schoolchild who identifies as transgender probably also looks like their sex they are (although I know in the US the laws are not protecting those children from physical harm as much as they do in the UK, so that may not always be the case there). And the school should know what sex their pupils are and make appropriate arrangements for them.

Keira Bell doesn't even feel welcome in them

What Keira Bell actually said is that she thinks some women might think she is male because of the permanent changes testosterone has made to her appearance and they might be distressed if they saw her in the women's toilets So out of consideration for those other women she uses male toilets.

What was done to her by the Tavistock is appalling. There is no excuse for harming vulnerable young people like that.

What has attraction got to do with this? This story is about a transgender person.

My statement was about autistic people and being part of the LGBTQ+ community on a whole, which you stated was hurting my claim.

They're definitely gendered spaces.

What does that mean?

You don't fit a sex-based stereotype? Big deal. Very many people don't.
Do you imagine that it means you are the opposite sex?

I'm not sure that is the gotcha you want it to be.

Depends on if you're going down the route of insisting autistic people are being coerced into being attracted to their own gender.

There's a pattern of using female people as trojan horses to further the rights of male people who have anything but the best interests of female people at heart.

They're definitely gendered spaces.

Are you in the US? Is that what they're called there? Over here the protected characteristic in the Equality Act is 'Sex'. So we have single-sex exemptions which allow single-sex spaces. Nothing to do with gender. They are all open to people who share the same sex, no matter which of the 100 or so genders they self define as. (No idea how many genders there are)

I'm not sure that is the gotcha you want it to be.

It's almost as if there's a script. sad

There isn't one. Neurodiverse people are just significantly more likely to be LGBTQ+ than neurotypical people. In the autistic community, for instance, the percentage of people who are LGBTQ+ is measured between 15% for a general analysis to 43% of the women in a Dutch study, compared to ~4.5% of the American population.

what worse than being medically experimented on? hmm

anyhoo, I was going to say that some peoeple might think the ACLU has used Gavin to create 'rights' for a set of people who are not actually like Gavin at all, and Gavin and the people who ARE like Gavin will actually suffer due to the activities of the ACLU and the 'rights' they are fighting for.

Gavin spent a million dollars on treatment for their cat?

I feel sorry for Gavin. Used as a political pawn. Gavin was offered a single space to change in but that wasn't enough.

God what a mess the ACLU is now. Along with Amnesty, it now belongs in a dumpster

Good for him! Shame he's getting none of the funds out of it, though.

Would be absolutely devastating to be a trans kid in school and have to go through the humiliation of being forced into the wrong gendered spaces.

ACLU gets $1.3 million, and a young person who describes themselves as autistic and having ADHD and was a schoolchild when this kicked off is apparently facing homelessness and destitution. But hey, a 'win' for the ACLU!

Gavin is living on disability (Twitter bio includes ADHD & ASD). Gavin seems very vulnerable indeed.

I wonder of transmen prisoners will feel the same if they are required to serve sentences in men's prisons? the idea if that makes my blood run cold. Please god. No . Do not do that to transmen

And god the poor boys here. They deserve privacy and dignity.

There's going to be alot of people happy if something happens to gavin . They are biologically female and there will be alot of revelling in " well thats what they wanted they got what they ask for" they won't get the support they need.

Fucks sake

Gavin was only “out” for 6 months when Gavin was national news in the law suit. The saddest part of this interview is that now this case has concluded “I’m not with my family in the ACLU.”

Our (understandable) focus on the safety aspects tends to overshadow the privacy and dignity issues in turning single-sex provisions into mixed-sex ones. They do matter though.

Grimm, 22, sued the Gloucester County School Board in 2015 after it prohibited him from using the bathroom that matched his gender identity, arguing the policy violated Title IX, which bans sex discrimination in schools.

What is involved in claiming an opposite-sex gender identity in Virginia? Does a child just have to say 'I am a boy/girl' and the schools have to accept that and treat them as though they have literally changed sex?

www.them.us/story/gavin-grimm-activist-lawsuit-interview

Winning His Landmark Lawsuit Didn’t Make Gavin Grimm Rich. He’s Barely Getting By
“I'm facing a crisis in not having housing, not being able to work, and being destitute.”

I'm shocked I tell you.