Really stupid question about the term 'cis'

People can't change sex. If you were born female you will be female for your whole life.

But that was then and this is now... how did the furry creatures feel and did they identify with their observed birthplace?

Perhaps, to them, 2+2= 5 if it's a Monday.

As Douglas Adams didn't say, "Back when you could say that menweremen, women were women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri."

Next you'll say women are women and men are men, as though we can all state facts above a minorities feelings.

It's possible I've used the same phrasing with you as I've used in other posts before -
because I'm the same person talking about the same topic and that's the way I think about it. It would be weird if I expressed the same thoughts differently every time I posted them!

But if you do think I'm making a "bad faith" argument, surely this is a great opportunity for you to clarify what you actually meant and show me up?

@PurgatoryOfPotholes keeping penis-havers out of women's spaces won't work as it's common sense and infringes the right of men to be in women's spaces if they feel that want to do so.

Why are you campaigning to move a subset of male prisoners into the female prison estate instead of campaigning to remove male guards from the female prison estate?

With the former, the best case scenario is that no more women inmates are raped. The worst case scenario is that additional women inmates are raped and this has already come to pass. Karen White assaulted two women. A prisoner who had been raped in the female estate by a male prisoner partnered with Keep Prisons Single Sex to ask for a judicial review.

If we kept prisoners separated by sex and campaigned to remove male guards as well, we would eliminate rape of female prisoners.

Remember the penis raping women in women's prisons is attached to a trans identifying man though - a TW. Therefore it's a woman's penis...oh wait, women don't have a penis

I'm telling you that you are making an illogical argument. If you keep telling people that 2+2=5, they will explain to you that it is 4.

If you keep telling people that our prison system has existing loopholes for abusers to exploit as part of an argument for why we should create additional loopholes, people will keep explaining why that's wrong too.

Women, women are killed by abusive men.

So your argument is that because some people say 2 plus 2 = 5, we might as well kill people who told it equalled 4 as well?

Who is being killed?.

I bet that if you'd asked five people whether 2 plus 2 = 5, you'd have been told it equalled 4 no less than FIVE TIMES.

So your argument is that because some people say 2 plus 2 = 5, we might as well kill people who told it equalled 4 as well?

If people keep misinterpreting you in the same way, maybe you aren't being as clear as you think you are.

If you keep repeating the exact same thing word for word, it has nothing to do with what I'm saying and everything with how you're rephrasing things in ill faith and parroting each others' cult tactics.

But seriously and sincerely, why are you calling others "bad-faith people", when you are repeatedly making the same bad argument, in the hope that the next person won't be bright enough to articulate why it's faulty?

If someone points out a logical flaw in something I'm saying, I stop making that argument. It's intellectually dishonest to do otherwise.

And I know, because I have made very similar points before. It was pointed out to me why they were terrible so I stopped doing it. I'm not in the habit of being deceitful and I don't seek to convince people of beliefs I don't hold.

After all, you have literally said on this thread that you "don't care" to worry about trans women assaulting female prisoners because assaults by male guards are a bigger problem.

Which seems pretty close to what OldCrone said, no?

Perhaps you can explain what you really meant.

Come on women, any man may rape us, let's accept men in our toilets, changing facilities, prisons, sports...best just accept it and get on with accepting it with a smile. Everyone wins...well a shouty group of TW and rapists win.

So your argument is that because some male guards commit sexual offences against female prisoners, we might as well put male prisoners in with the women as well?

Do you rehearse this shite in your meetings? I've heard this exact ridiculous jump-to-shite argument targeted FIVE TIMES to me by the exact same bad-faith people in the past 2 weeks.

So what's the point of the GRA? Why not just scrap it?

Altering birth certificates so you don't get married and buried as a woman when you're not a woman.

You believe that the placing of convicted sex offenders in the female estate to be a hyperfixualisation? The prison service deny that there is a problem at all. There is no protocol because they treat these convicted sex offenders as women.

There is undoubtedly an issue with the abuse of power by prison guards. That is at least acknowledged. The MOJ have done their best, in a recent judicial review, to deny that housing transwomen in the female estate poses a problem at all. The judge in the judicial review himself noted that harm and fear will happen to women due to this policy. However, it is legal. Shamefully.

They're being raped anyway, so why not put a few more rapists in with them?

Is that really what you're arguing for?

I think there should be as few male staff as possible.

But we both know you don't.

Oh awks. So keen to jump in with stock TRA response no 57 "If men want to rape women there are easier ways than pretending to be trans" that you forgot to read the post properly.

Oh no, I read it properly, I just didn't care to carry on the lineage of 'hyperfixating on singular incidents, of which at least half wouldn't have occured if the prisons in questions followed their own protocols' versus the systemic issue that inmates face, which is the abuse of powers of prison guards to humiliate, sexually abuse and rape them.

And that doesn't include the transwomen with GRC's because in the eyes of the prison service, they are indistinguishable to women.