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secular111 · 04/09/2021 21:44

I think The Guardian, if it doesn't sink in the coming week, News of the World-style, it is certainly holed below the waterline and, thanks to Viner and LOJ in particular, looks doomed. I don't reckon it can easily recover from its efforts to promote the 'Wi Spa hoax' hoax, and if anything LOJ seems intent on doubling-down and magnifying the damage being inflicted.

The weight of all-out SM condemnation of The Guardian for its now horribly-exposed efforts to try to pull the wool over the eyes of its own readers and subscribers about the Wi Spa scandal is growing exponentially.

And worse, sporting a copy of The Guardian is going to provoke the 'best check your hard drive' comments from now on, as the newspaper has committed itself to fully supporting white sex offenders, whilst it goes out of its way to disbelieve the five complainants - all of whom were Black women.

Some examples;

Katie Herzog about The Guardian - Twitter

Malcolm Clark about The Guardian - Twitter

Julie Bindel about The Guardian - Twitter

The Guardians own Twitter

Andy Ngo, who exposed the efforts by The Guardian to promote the hoax story that the Wi Spa crime was fake

Allison Bailey about The Guardian - Twitter

And that's just a fraction of the condemnation that can be easily found. The follow-up of course will be the essays and articles in Spiked, The Spectator, Telegraph, The Times...

And tomorrow glinner will be releasing his 'The Mess We're In Special' with The Guardian being a key focus.

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ErrolTheDragon · 05/09/2021 09:13

I doubt this incident will bring the guardian down. Hopefully it will give them pause for thought and a review of their stance in this general area. I'd rather it re-emerged chastened and engaging sensibly with serious issues. The U.K. needs proper 'mainstream media' on the left to balance eg the Telegraph.

Wbeezer · 05/09/2021 09:05

Yes, IRL, only a tiny number know or care
And there are plenty of people who never read the editorials and think pieces in the guardian anyway.

Doyoumind · 05/09/2021 08:41

Nothing will change.

Vanishun · 05/09/2021 08:27

No. But you'd hope some of the idiots at the newspaper would fact check more in future

NiceGerbil · 05/09/2021 03:35

Most people don't give a fuck about WiSpa or any of this.

Global warming Afghanistan things at home with supply chain etc. Covid. Loads of stuff.

Most people aren't reading Twitter let alone feminists etc

So no it won't go because of this

AnotherLass · 05/09/2021 03:14

There is absolutely no way that this will kill the Guardian. Hardly anyone will know or care.

No offence, but I think you put far, far too much store by social media. The idea that a few demonised canceled gender critical people criticising the paper on twitter could bring it down is somewhat insane.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 05/09/2021 03:00

Preference falsification observes that:

A common effect of preference falsification is the preservation of widely disliked structures. Another is the conferment of an aura of stability on structures vulnerable to sudden collapse. When the support of a policy, tradition, or regime is largely contrived, a minor event may activate a bandwagon that generates massive yet unanticipated change.

In distorting public opinion, preference falsification also corrupts public discourse and, hence, human knowledge. So structures held in place by preference falsification may, if the condition lasts long enough, achieve increasingly genuine acceptance. The book demonstrates how human knowledge and social structures co-evolve in complex and imperfectly predictable ways, without any guarantee of social efficiency.

www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674707580

OP unless you're privy to some internal disquiet or rumours who are knowledgeable about discontent among Scott Trust trustees, I have no expectation of a rapid collapse that can be attributed to the reporting of Wi Spa.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 05/09/2021 02:42

That's a really interesting way to look at it. To be honest, I was taking it for granted that it would completely blow over within a week or so. I feel like the only people who care are people who, to be frank, it had already lost as readers.

I'm going to be on the look out for awareness of the issue spreading outside my echochamber, starting now.

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