Why are they in a hospital bed? (Adoption related)

Have you challenged them?

Why would you go on those places/ meet in real life?

Men of all types can be and not infrequently are awful when it comes to women and girls full stop.

Why did you assume that?

What do you mean by brow beating?

You still haven't given anything at all to show that in the UK it's a hot topic and giving birth is seen as undignified but only when it comes to babies that are separated from their mum at birth. Which doesn't happen much at all.

Erm.

I've been talking in generalities mostly.

I did look up the stats though and was really taken aback. As I have explained on the thread.

In general women/ girls do not want to give up newborns.

I have no idea obviously of the circs of the mother but if in general there are factors leading to the large adoption rate in USA which may include social/ financial pressure when it comes to newborns then that bothers me. I don't know. But it feels off.

We're mammals. Mammals that have just given birth are generally accepted to be important to/ connected to the baby/ babies they have just given birth to.

Even if humans are different (and why would we be) the question always needs to be asked.

Not asking the question can lead to enormous harm.

As has been seen in situations in the past.

Atheist men talk a lot of shit when it comes to women is a given surely. Not all but certainly plenty.

Entitled distanced pontificating arses.

Well same as the religious ones to be fair!

Male views on all this are often bollocks.

Do you have links?

Is this in UK? I'm surprised it's a talking point at all if here.

Ok so you didn't mean this-

'Whats not to celebrate a woman who goes through all that to bring life into the world whether she gives up for adoption or raises them.'

Cool

Can you give a background to where you're hearing all that awful stuff you said about adoption?

Any links to threads/ news reports/ sites etc?

Celebrate bringing life to the world.

Address the actual points please.

Liberal and popular crowd????

I have no idea what you're on about tbh.

Neither the left nor the far left talk about adoption much at all. Unless something like that mother and baby homes thing comes up. Or if the topic is children in care and even then it's more about failures in care/ protection.

Where are you hearing UK people insulting women whose babies are adopted at birth (!?) and talking about indignity??

And yes of course it's a massive problem when women and girls give up their babies as soon as they're born due to outside pressures.

You saw the news items about the England mother and baby homes recently? Operating until into the 70s I think it was.

Elderly women still in tears talking about it. Traumatised by what happened. Never stopped thinking about, wondering about, missing their babies. That is a problem. Not a magical sodding gift.

Indignity?

Cleanly????

Where are you getting this stuff from? It's not from this thread that's for sure.

If you want to discuss attitudes (in the USA?) then links would be helpful. Because the USA culture esp in certain States is just totally alien.

Women are judged harshly no matter what side is doing the judging, left or right. I was speaking about the liberal and most popular crowd, the left. Whether you are left or far left women are judged harshly for bringing a baby to term and seeking adoptive parents, the judgment is misogynistic because the woman went through the indignity of pregnancy and birth instead of "cleanly" and "responsibly" going for an abortion. She is judged for giving the baby up.

I think women are concerned about the social and financial reasons that could lead to a mother doing that.

The stats for Indiana show that as having a baby outside marriage has become more acceptable, the number of babies (children?) available for adoption has dropped off.

That sort of thing is a worry. It shows that many women were doing it because of social pressure. That's not good in any way.

Which platforms?

Can't be on here as very few babies indeed are separated from mother at birth.

Are you talking about USA forums?

'Women who have abortions are praised and women who choose adoption are trashed.'

Where have you seen this? I mean not just on here but in general?

In the context of many parts of USA it's the exact opposite surely?

"women who give up babies" as simplified like that as though theres no circumstances or reason. Women who give up babies, its a sentence that trashes those women. Women who have abortions are praised and women who choose adoption are trashed. Neither of them should be. Get the fook out of the hospital bed, you didnt just give birth, the woman who had to lay there, putting aside her own dignity, in excruciating pain, blood, water mess, exhaustion. Whats not to celebrate a woman who goes through all that to bring life into the world whether she gives up for adoption or raises them. Not "women who give babies up"

I'm not fussed about the place the photo was taken or the family photo pose at all.

What I have become concerned about is from birth adoption in the USA, what the mechanisms are. The fact that it seems 50/ 50 businesses to adopt and businesses to help find birth parents.

That it's twins as well.

Oh just read.

'What ever the woman and young girls reason for giving her babies up for adoption is it doesnt make her scum of the earth'

Where on earth did you get that from?!