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Graham Linehan in the Times

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Igneococcus · 04/09/2021 07:38

I wish they'd put it in the main paper rather than the Scotland section:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8c85b4ba-0d01-11ec-9503-f24d9e0411ae?shareToken=e1879f56c612595d4281520d6ea0821c

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 04/09/2021 08:56

Lovely post rabbitwoman

He's a decent honourable man who genuinely cares. I shed a tear at that article - and all the comments underneath.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 04/09/2021 08:53

That's a really good article.

Then something took him by surprise. “It was such an odd thing but I was in Dublin at a protest. Someone was going, ‘Women’s right to abortion!’ And we went, ‘Yeah!’ Then they said, ‘And trans people need to have their operations paid for by the state!’ And we went, ‘What?’

rabbitwoman · 04/09/2021 08:49

@NutellaEllaElla

Oh gosh Graham it's cost you your marriage. While it's a noble cause, it's it worth such personal sacrifice?
..... When female athletes train and train for the Olympics they make huge personal sacrifices - relationships, social life, family life, it takes a physical toll. That needs to be protected.

Any woman getting pregnant makes huge personal sacrifices - her body becomes someone else's. Her body may never recover. Her life is dedicated to childcare - still not equally distributed throughout society, no matter what your personal anecdotes might be. That needs to be respected.

Any woman suffering infertility, endemetreosis, female cancers - these take huge toll on them, their bodies and their mental health, they deserve the appropriate space to deal and heal....

Any woman who is abused, raped.... The trauma that causes takes a huge toll. The energy and strength to recover and heal can be exhausting. Women deserve that.

So is it worth it? Well. Yes.

Thank you Graham.

NecessaryScene · 04/09/2021 08:40

it's it worth such personal sacrifice?

I think at some point you have to be able to sleep at night.

Once you've seen this, you can't unsee it.

If you're in a position where you have a voice, and you think you could push the needle, to not do so would trigger guilt.

He's chosen to stand, rather than be silent and complicit. He wouldn't have planned this, but events have led him here.

And it's just the sort of person he is. I was looking for that quote - turns out to be Martin Luther - "Here I stand, I can do no other".

Like Helen Joyce, like JK Rowling. They have to do something, so they can live with themselves.

Helen Joyce said: "Somebody said to me, 'Do you want this to be the issue that defines you?' Like, well, fine, yeah! They're sterilising gay kids. Why would I not?"

Abhannmor · 04/09/2021 08:40

Well I think Jeremy Corbyns last marriage ended over his children's schooling.His then wife didn't want them to attend a local state school iirc. Graham made a film for the abortion campaign , with Amnesty Ireland. Now it's director, who went round Ireland on a speaking tour with Glinner , refuses to engage with him. Amnesia Ireland I call them.

DogDaysNeverEnd · 04/09/2021 08:38

Thanks for the link. The interview makes it very clear that it's not transphobic to be concerned
Why oh why can't TRAs see that there are bad people in the world who will take advantage of undermined safeguarding? Is it genuine ignorance (we could all just be nice and get along) or something more sinister? I guess I know that it's a few nasty bastards being supported by people who just don't realise what they are sleep walking us into. And the supporters won't have thought it through as they won't think it affects them, and they don't care about the quiet vulnerable. What a mess.

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NutellaEllaElla · 04/09/2021 08:30

Oh gosh Graham it's cost you your marriage. While it's a noble cause, it's it worth such personal sacrifice?

DancesWithTortoises · 04/09/2021 08:30

We owe him so much. Thank you, Graham.

RocketPanda · 04/09/2021 08:29

You're right @rabbitwoman there will be no fanfare but our daughters will have the right to say no to a penis without fear of prosecution.

highame · 04/09/2021 08:28

My comment is 'awaiting moderation', my comments usually are Grin. so will say it here:-
Twitter is political, Twitter hates women ergo Twitter hates Graham but I and many others know that Graham likes and supports women. You understand the argument and we thank you for that. I am sorry this has cost you so much

Waitwhat23 · 04/09/2021 08:27

@CloseYourEyesAndSee was just about to make a similar comment - the level of idiocy is strong in that one!

Sittinginthesand · 04/09/2021 08:26

Thank you, Graham.

rabbitwoman · 04/09/2021 08:26

Although I have reported your post, happydays, to some degree I see your point.

This debate, this fight, has obviously taken it's toll on Graham. He has paid a really high price for standing up for what he believes in. For me, it's a disgrace and supreme unfairness that history won't remember what an integral part he has played in turning the tide and exposing some of the worst aspects of this debacle,because when it ends - and end it shall - it will be with no fanfare, no announcements, thise responsible will just fade away and probably pretend they never said anything, try to forget it.... Whilst this man's reputation will be tarnished forever.

Well, I won't forget, he is amazing and I am grateful to him for what he does.

NecessaryScene · 04/09/2021 08:25

They misunderstood his use of the word peak and turned it into pique

Ah well. Kind of balances out all the people I see doing the opposite...

Not going to loose sleep over it.

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 04/09/2021 08:23

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CloseYourEyesAndSee · 04/09/2021 08:23

They misunderstood his use of the word peak and turned it into pique. Peak Times.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/09/2021 08:23

Of course they can’t Igno, like all TRA they only have insults & emotional manipulation.

Fair play to The Times for interviewing him & giving him space to talk.

RocketPanda · 04/09/2021 08:21

Better to be thought of as a king than cheering on sex offenders in Spas.

Leafstamp · 04/09/2021 08:20

Thanks for posting this.

I must say, I feel like he does a lot of the time:

“What I don’t understand, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, is why aren’t you obsessed with this?

Igneococcus · 04/09/2021 08:19

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RocketPanda · 04/09/2021 08:18

He's endured so much and it would be easy to throw in the towel and I applaud him for standing here with us.

happydays2345 · 04/09/2021 08:15

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LazyViper · 04/09/2021 08:14

Thank you for the share token. The comments are so heartening too.

Abhannmor · 04/09/2021 08:09

@Needmoresleep

A wonderful man. So sad to hear about the end of his marriage.
Yes , the usual suspects often gloat about that on his YouTube comments. Tells you all you need to know about them.
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