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'The Guardian has found itself defending a sex-offender's right to expose themselves to children'

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secular111 · 03/09/2021 19:54

This is a continuation of the thread at;

Shameful incoherent, poorly-referenced, completely biased piece of journalism from the Guardian

The quote in the title is from Dave Hewitt's essay published today;

The Guardian's Ideological dead-end

As you can likely guess, he eviscerates The Guardian, and leaves its rotting carcase out-in-the-sun for the vultures to pick over.

Quite simply, Guardian readers have once again been fed a pack of Alex Jones-style falsehoods, this time over the Wi-Spa scandal. As usual, LOJ contributed to the attempts to hoodwink the readership, and for the most part it seemed to have worked. Until Andy Ngo exposed the entire rotting falsehood in what has proven to be the journalistic scoop-of-the-year to date.

Hewitt details how The Guardian's world-view has seen it simply unable to present itself as a reliable news source, with it now peddling deliberate falsehoods and fake-news, in much the same way the right-wing press in the US is accused of. The Guardian though has gone further in its commitment to falsehood; all the complainants in the Wi-Spa scandal were Black women, so The Guardian had determined to deprive those women of their legitimate voices - a fundamentally racist act.

I'm not sure what the owners of The Guardian - The Scott Trust, have as a business model. Hoping that the readership and subscribers are easily or willingly fooled by whatever lies the hacks write doesn't seem to be a long-term strategy. That though is precisely where The Guardian is today, having abandoned facts are sacred as a creed, replaced with lies are paramount.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/09/2021 10:13

OJ’s proclamation that the LGBA’s supporter are mainly straight! Dude, most of the TRAs are straight

This is increasingly one of the logical absurdities.

But that's a different form of straight. Being queer acts as a modifier so straight isn't what it is for non-queer people.

Aren't we all trans or queer in some way given the size and coverage of the trans umbrella?

In your mind, I know you're still thinking in a heteronormative way, bigot.

CurrantTeacake · 04/09/2021 09:13

Had a good ole chortle at OJ’s article. Little does he know that he’s the biggest bigot of them all. All the pearl clutching at a gay man attending Pride in a t-shirt proclaiming his support for a LGB charity. The fake comparison to a Trump supporter turning up at an anti-Trump protest. He even disparaged Andrew Doyle, another gay journalist, for calling out woke homophobia.
Perhaps my biggest chortle was for OJ’s proclamation that the LGBA’s supporter are mainly straight! Dude, most of the TRAs are straight.

JustWaking · 04/09/2021 09:07

*wand wagon = band wagon
Grin

JustWaking · 04/09/2021 09:01

The article closes with the question 'Who benefits from this?'

That's something I'm struggling to understand :

  • some people have suffered from dysphoria - either themselves or their children - and can't see past that to the wider consequences (but not many)
  • some sexual predators want to break down protections for women (again, not many)
  • some people hate women (I know we underestimate misogyny, but still...)
  • Some people probably just aren't thinking very deeply about it, and just jump on the righteous wand wagon.

But there are plenty of thinkers - journalists, politicians, industry leaders (please hold the sarcasm on this - these are groups who try to figure things out) who are so committed to to gender ideology who don't fall into any of these readons

Is it just that they didn't think about it much initially, and then confirmation bias kicked in?

I don't understand why so many people and institutions were captured.

hedgehogger1 · 04/09/2021 08:55

I cancelled my subscription to the guardian after that article. It's no longer a news source just a mouthpiece to an agenda

Alltheprettyseahorses · 04/09/2021 08:40

Can Owen Jones please explain why it is apparently oppression for women not to allow males in women's spaces? Because in his anti-science word-salad puff piece for Faye, he fails to back up his bigoted tantrum.

LazyViper · 04/09/2021 08:17

Another sadly disillusioned ex-Graun fan here. I cannot believe how far it has lost its way. Everything has to be commissioned or reported from the perspective of supporting the wokebro ideology. It’s so extreme.

Also youth-obsessed and sneeringly ageist. But of course.

nauticant · 04/09/2021 08:10

One profound irony is that 10 years ago The Guardian did one of the scoops of the decade against News International and now there's some kind of weird distorting mirror thing going on with The Guardian spreading disinformation to cover up a (arguably much bigger) scandal and The Times (in the News International successor entity) seeking to uncover it, and also to reveal that something has gone badly wrong at The Guardian.

LoislovesStewie · 04/09/2021 07:50

@Aparallaxia

It would be funny if it weren't so enraging. I never, ever thought that I'd abandon the Graun. Read it for 40 years. Now I wouldn't wrap my fish and chips in it.
You and me both. I won't have it in the house any more.
Franca123 · 04/09/2021 07:43

How on earth does the Guardian report on the Taliban and women rights? I'm pretty sure that as a woman in Afghanistan I couldn't identify as a man and have all the rights men get. Surely when they're discussing this they have to use one of the terms like, uterus-havers in order to be accurate. Or do they know it's a wink wink thing with the reader - you know what we mean when we say female in this piece. Bonkers.

WarriorN · 04/09/2021 07:38

(OJ)

WarriorN · 04/09/2021 07:37

Is this the article?

It's basically about the oppression of white males.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/03/anti-lgbtq-hate-crime-bigotry-britain

picklemewalnuts · 04/09/2021 07:12

The problem is the women who choose the women's session, and their children, chose a women's session- a penis free space.
The mixed sessions or male sessions are ideal for people with a penis.
The mixed sessions are also clothed.

Mybalconyiscracking · 04/09/2021 07:01

So there are nude sessions for women, nude sessions for men and mixed nude sessions? Not sure that I understand the problem?

PamDenick · 04/09/2021 06:51

That the man who wore an LGB Alliance T shirt to Manchester pride is some sort of ‘wrong’…

EdgeOfACoin · 04/09/2021 06:44

Oh dear, what line is OJ taking?

PamDenick · 04/09/2021 06:33

Owen Jones’ article today is pathetic. Cancelling my subscription (should have done it years ago).

EmmaGrundyForPM · 04/09/2021 06:05

@Fitt

Sloane ranger? How old do you have to be for that to spring to mind as a user name?
Are you suggesting women in their 50s shouldn't be posting? What has anyone's age got to do with the subject matter here?
NiceGerbil · 04/09/2021 04:36

That guardian piece is appalling. Really really shit. I know what they're like now but I was still wtf.

They can't have news pieces using the word women and meaning sex about things going on around the world. Abortion taleban etc.

And then have this.

It's mind blowingly hypocritical.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/09/2021 22:51

That Dave Hewitt article is so good - completely nails the issue. It would be depressing but the Guardian nailed its colours to the mast many years ago so progressing to defending a sex offender's rights to indecently expose himself to a child is the logical progression. Idiots.

Aparallaxia · 03/09/2021 22:40

It would be funny if it weren't so enraging. I never, ever thought that I'd abandon the Graun. Read it for 40 years. Now I wouldn't wrap my fish and chips in it.

Fitt · 03/09/2021 22:30

Sloane ranger?
How old do you have to be for that to spring to mind as a user name?

Tibtom · 03/09/2021 22:02

@Franca123

Do cockhavers prefer to be referred to as cockhavers or prostratehavers? I always forget.
Wankers
Franca123 · 03/09/2021 21:46

Do cockhavers prefer to be referred to as cockhavers or prostratehavers? I always forget.

WagnersFourthSymphony · 03/09/2021 20:31

Oh, but this cockshower isn't representative of all cockhavers, so how dare you shame all cockhavers on the basis of this person's behaviour?
(Or something)
Most cockhavers will be quite innocent and therefore entitled to have and show their cocks in women's spaces. (Or something.)

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