'The Guardian has found itself defending a sex-offender's right to expose themselves to children'

Shocking, isn't it. How dare women and girls subjected to male sexual abuse, from a male sexual abuser who has been predating on women and girls for at last 20 years, call that male sexual abuser a man!

His feelings might be hurt. And that's far more important than the women and little girls, whom he accessed naked in a single sex environment in order to expose himself, and whose distress was making his dick hard.

Repeat ad infinitum for any bad deed committed by someone claiming gender privileges - Genderist will always focus on what pronouns you use for the person. They could be a sex offender, a child abuser, coercing lesbians for sex, doesn't matter. Did you misgender? If you did every other complaint is invalid.

Shocking, isn't it. How dare women and girls subjected to male sexual abuse, from a male sexual abuser who has been predating on women and girls for at last 20 years, call that male sexual abuser a man!

His feelings might be hurt. And that's far more important than the women and little girls, whom he accessed naked in a single sex environment in order to expose himself, and whose distress was making his dick hard.

First they said it never happened and it was hateful to say that it had. Now it's proven to have happened, they say it's hateful to refuse to pretend that a male criminal, with male patterned sex offending, is a woman.

At what point do people start to see women subjected to men's violence as full human beings? Because so far, the answer appears to be 'only when it's politically useful'. The left claim to care about abortion rights, while doing the shit above. The right claim to care about the above, while removing abortion rights.

All I see are a bunch of misogynists. And I'm pretty fucking sick of them.

@wellbehavedwomen

Absolutely this, so well said. Thank you.

Shocking, isn't it. How dare women and girls subjected to male sexual abuse, from a male sexual abuser who has been predating on women and girls for at last 20 years, call that male sexual abuser a man!

I'm not shocked anymore, just coldly angry. I want this self ID bollocks killed stone dead in the UK.

Incidents like this are horrid but as long as we keep highlighting them, and keep discussing the public policy implications over and over, all they are doing is making the case for us.

How do you free men from the damaging rigid gender norms by creating an ideology which says that being a man is a very distinct experience from being a woman? That is, in fact, reinforcing those damaging stereotypes.

Stop using logic, it's colonialist and fascist or something.

Someone on here once said: women used to have to do the washing up. Then, briefly, anyone could do the washing up. And now, we're told that anyone who does the washing up must be a woman.

This is not progress. It's barking mad that anyone claims otherwise.

the liberation of trans people – and indeed LGBTQ people as a whole – will free everyone. For example, a strengthened welfare state and solved housing crisis would provide a trans person rejected by their family with desperately needed independence; but those benefits would help anyone in need of security. The biggest killer of men under 45 is suicide: freeing them from rigid gender norms, which teach them to believe that opening up about their problems is unmanly or “gay”, will make them more likely to seek support.

How do you free men from the damaging rigid gender norms by creating an ideology which says that being a man is a very distinct experience from being a woman? That is, in fact, reinforcing those damaging stereotypes. To have to be a woman in order to be unmanly is exactly the problem and definitely not the solution.

The stupid thing is that she supports the rights of trans people, as all decent people should. She also supports the separate rights of women as a definable sex class, also as all decent people should. But that's hateful, in the eyes of men who hate women, and the women who pander to them.

The Guardian forced Suzanne Moore to resign didn't it?

His feelings might be hurt. And that's far more important than the women and little girls, whom he accessed naked in a single sex environment in order to expose himself, and whose distress was making his dick hard.

First they said it never happened and it was hateful to say that it had. Now it's proven to have happened, they say it's hateful to refuse to pretend that a male criminal, with male patterned sex offending, is a woman.

At what point do people start to see women subjected to men's violence as full human beings? Because so far, the answer appears to be 'only when it's politically useful'. The left claim to care about abortion rights, while doing the shit above. The right claim to care about the above, while removing abortion rights.

All I see are a bunch of misogynists. And I'm pretty fucking sick of them.

Thanks, Owen. Always good when you say the quiet part out loud.

The latest Guardian article still says the complainant at the spa was using transphobic language.

The only thing I can think, from the video, is that she kept calling the convicted sex offender with his cock out a man.

given the law says aok for Darren to be there naked. I think that Darren has a good argument tbh.

You are right but he's still also breaking the indecent exposure laws.

In practice the issue is whether a jury accept that he's a woman because he says he is and so waving his womanly penis at other women is fine.

It seems that, even in one of the wokest cities on earth, juries keep finding that he's not a woman but a male predator. Funny that.

I, for one, hope The Guardian continues down the path of total lunacy as it is amusing to watch their readership number plummet.

The latest www.abc.org.uk/product/2451 shows their circulation down to 105,134. For comparison their circulation in 2020 was 132,341.

The 2021 circulation figure is the lowest since 1939, when it was 51,000.

The latest Guardian article still says the complainant at the spa was using transphobic language.

That's the job of the USA guardian arm surely with WiSpa

Thing is Darren has a good point

Legally allowed to be there and naked.
Does throw up??? about how indecent exposure laws work in that situation.

And given the law says aok for Darren to be there naked. I think that Darren has a good argument tbh.

Because the laws don't work together at all.

I can't see them changing the self id for all services etc etc.

So... What are they going to do?

I suspect with the criminal history prosecute and say look it's all fine. The rare unusual situation with a male who is not trans taking advantage has been handled well. So what's the problem.

Leave the laws as is.

Continue telling women girls they should turn a blind eye or they're bigots. If you don't like it don't go there/ commit a crime/ go too far from home so need public toilets etc.

The end game ignores the risk to women and girls completely as demonstrated on loads of Twitter articles in media etc.

The end game is to make this happen. And persuade women and girls not to complain. And that's that.

The responses to this incident from so many papers, people with a voice that's heard etc were utterly disgusting.

Don't believe women. If something did happen they're making a fuss. If a woman has the wrong politics/ religion she should be ignored anyway. Girls should not feel concerned about random cock. Etc etc.

Rape myths from our 'progressive' elite.

Lovely.

To be fair, the Guardian's take on the US Civil War was fairly nuanced:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/feb/24/1865-guardian-stance-us-civil-war

I wonder how long it will be before the Guardian calls for special exemptions or substantial revision of the laws about indecent exposure in line with Merager's preferences.

I doubt any papers that have been around for yonks have a record of awesome judgement.

Getting into the past is interesting but in the end pretty irrelevant.

What they are doing now is utterly appalling.

And that's enough to discuss.

"a pack of Alex Jones-style falsehoods" is precisely the correct way to put it. The conspiracy theories that flourished about the supposed "actors" in an obviously real videoin which real women expressed what was obviously real anger and emotion about a distressing situationsmacked of Alex Jones' claims that the families of the murdered Sandy Hook Elementary children are "crisis actors."

In a bit of karmic justice, Alex Jones was sued over his defamatory statements, and lost. Would be nice if the same happened to others who defamed the women involved here.

It's been five years since a Guardian journalist last won an award, and four years since even a sports columnist was recognised, so its writers are now really 'B' tier ones at best.

Not disagreeing with the sentiment at all, but I think Marina Hyde won 3 journalism awards in 2020. And the Guardian won a few Press Awards (for ‘reliable reporting and analysis’, lol) last year. None of that stops them being a heap of sanctimonious misogynistic bilge, apart from Marina, but just noting it for the pedants among us.

But the same people who say children in USA should get used to being naked around random dick.

Post about the situation for women and girls under taleban for example.

Not vagina owners, menstruators etc. And about sex based oppression.

Arseholes the lot of them and imo pretty racist/ patronising etc etc.

Whole thing is a shitshow. Wtf are these pundits thinking? Can't they see their own massive obvious gross hypocrisy?

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And this is the whole fucking problem.

There is NO way to tell if a male has internal gender feelings that means they are apparently magically not a risk to women and girls.

The person at the spa had the right in law to go into the female area. The spa would have been acting illegally to even bat an eyelid.

Women and girls are being pushed to turn a blind eye. (As per sodding usual with things that males do to make them uncomfy).

Darren has, given the law, an absolutely inviolable argument that they were allowed to be there. That's the law.

If Darren had not got a semi no crime would have been committed.

The discomfort of males in spaces like this is irrelevant. The law says that.

The fact that plenty of men can and do enjoy making women and girls feel scared/ uncomfortable. But not doing things that are illegal. Is irrelevant. The law in California does not consider that. Not relevant/ even thought about.

If Darren had concealed etc erection. Had a wank before went in to avoid it. In law. No problems. Any complaint bigotry.

And further.

There's a lot of women do it too with this. And using the idea that women who are safe sex attracted display similar sexual behaviour to men. (Deeply lesbophobic). Leading to. Females being aroused is not so obvious. Sexual arousal can happen any old time. Erections are involuntary and can happen with no external prompt.
So it's transphobic to freak out at a penis that's getting a hard on. It can't be helped! Females in there could be aroused and who would know? That's deeply unfair on those with diverse bodies.

These laws/ changes to convention are a huge issue.

Darren can go there. Why shouldn't they?

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For somebody who has been acclaimed as brilliant and a powerful voice

You are mistaken, the PP you replied to was refering to the YouTuber Owen Jones, not whoever you meant.

And this shows the utter contempt. Of it all.

Also all sorts of dodgy views.

Apparently male female is an oppressive concept spread by colonists. / Colonial oppressors.

I mean what the fuck/? People in India/parts of Africa etc didn't know about dick/ cunt > baby? Before the English/ Spanish etc came and imposed that view? That's saying that... Seriously??!!??

And that now. People >>> over there don't get their gender identities respected? Why not?

If it's important to use people with vaginas in the UK then why not globally?

Well we all know the answer. Cowardly hypocritical misogynist fucking wankers.

NewMutiny

Yes.

This does my head in and has done for ages.

Loads and loads of orgs individuals that are totally onboard with gender > sex in some circs happily use eg woman meaning female elsewhere.

It's fucking two faced cowardly hypocrisy and it makes me so angry..

Put you money where your fucking mouth is.

If in some cases it's menstruators etc.
If in some cases woman girl she is gender id not sex.

Then why the fuck are you reporting on the uighar women, women in Afghanistan. Females. That's transphobic.

Come on.

People with vaginas facing up to future in Afghanistan. The taleban is clear about penis people and those with vulvas having very different roles in society and impose them with violence.

People assumed to have ovaries who were juvenile and attended school have been a target for the testicle person orientated taleban. Schools have been burnt down/bombed if they had students who had vaginas.

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