Good news on the WI Spa incident

Next depressing question: if this person is convicted of a further sex offence does indecent exposure get them a custodial sentence? And, given that this is California, is that automatically served in a women's prison?

Knock me down with a feather, did not see this coming, no not at all.

@disgustedofmanchester @MishyJD

What say you now?

When the law allows people with penises into spaces where women are vulnerable, how do we keep the nonces out, who are clearly using this development to access kids.

How can people not see?

This looks a lot like Milgram Experiment material, where some people will do anything if authority tells them it's OK.

Will the spa that allowed a sex offender to commit further sexual offences in a women’s changing room be reviewing their policies?

Wonder if in the supremely litigious US of A they could be sued for that?

What an utter mess, shocked not shocked - this is where trying to normalise 'ladydicks', 'girldicks' etc leads to - as so many have said.

BlibbyBlobby I am convinced that the response from TRAs and their submissive supporters will agree with Merager that the law regarding indecent exposure should be changed because, well, it's what men want innit.

Under normal circumstances, being proved right is a good thing. In this instance it’s just utterly depressing. Will the guy who went viral accusing the women complaining of transphobia, be also going viral to retract that? Will the Antifa counter-protestors who assaulted women be apologising? Will all the newspapers (looking at you Guardian) who referred to it as “anti-transgender protests”, be editing it to “anti-sex offender protests”? Will the spa that allowed a sex offender to commit further sexual offences in a women’s changing room be reviewing their policies?

It’s bullshit. All this person’s defenders will do is brush it under the carpet and carry on screeching “TWAW” at us.

My flabber is well and truly ghasted.

Both that someone acting creepy in a women's nude spa could turn out to be a convicted sex offender. And that a convicted sex offender would use a loophole about gender identity to continue their offending behaviours.

Now can we go back to the common sense school of safe guarding

Step one Where there are vulnerable people assume there are predators that will try and access them, and take all viable steps to prevent

Step 2, if they look like a nonce, act like a nonce and are exposing their dick to children, phone the fucking police, even if they have a glitter halo and fart rainbows

BTW @PostingForTheFirstTime, I think calling this "good news" may come across badly. It's good news that the women who were smeared as liars or bigots have been validated. It's good news there is more clarity about what happened and the risks of self id. But it's not good news that the person was a sex offender, it's kind of the worst outcome really. I don't want the worst to have to happen before people listen to the valid reasons females exclude males sometimes.

Sadly all the TRAs who accused the women of being liars ('why didn't they photograph the naked man, if it was true?') are going to pretend not to see this.

How stupid and/or ideologically blinded would you have to be to accuse them of being liars though?

It was almost certain there was indeed a man there as claimed. Did they really believe that this couldn't happen, so the story was implausible? Or did they just assume that the lie would never catch up with them?

The only thing that's a surprise to me exactly how much of a textbook serial-offender case he turned out to be - it could have been an opportunist with no previous record.

Sadly all the TRAs who accused the women of being liars ('why didn't they photograph the naked man, if it was true?') are going to pretend not to see this.

No, this never happens and anyone who suggests otherwise is a bigot

[quote TinselAngel]I expect all the disrupters from the previous thread will be here to apologise shortly:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281706-pushback-at-wi-spa-in-los-angeles[/quote]
Those incoming apologies will be here any minute now....

This is one of the problems; our safety has been given away and the colonists don't always realise we object.

I’m also waiting for the apologies - Laurie Penny especially for this

twitter.com/PennyRed/status/1409790944635883523

It's like the old joke "How do you get to X?" "Well I wouldn't start from here."

We are not at the right starting point culturally for mixed sex to be ok in places strangers are naked together unless they specifically signed up for it.

So the women weren’t lying or being hideous transphobes. Well I’m sure The Guardian will no doubt give equal coverage to it turning out to be true as they did to smearing & accusing women of lying and Laurie Penny will be offering profuse apologies right??

I’m so fucking pissed off that this happens over & over and yet still even now we get cries of “it never happens” and “beeeee kind”

This will get next to no coverage of this & it will already be a zombie fact that the spa incident was “made up”

It's cultural. You have some laid-back North European societies where naked kids run around in front of adults, but definitely not vice-versa.

East European Banyas have become more censorious since communism fell, but even there you always had a busybody culture where anyone could call out anyone who wasn't following the unwritten rules.

I expect all the disrupters from the previous thread will be here to apologise shortly:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4281706-pushback-at-wi-spa-in-los-angeles

Law-enforcement sources revealed that Merager is a tier-one registered sex offender with two prior convictions of indecent exposure stemming from incidents in 2002 and 2003 in California. She declined to comment on the convictions. In 2008, she was convicted for failing to register as a sex offender.

SHE was never convicted; HE was.

FWIW I don't actually think it's impossible to have spaces that are nude, mixed sex and safe and respectful.

I think it's perfectly possible and would actually be a good thing for the nudity and privacy of both sexes to be less fetished. I just think it's impossible in our current culture.

So if that's where we as a society want to get to, the honest way to deal with it is to tackle the male behaviours that mean we need single sex spaces then get rid of single sex spaces.

What I can't get behind is this idea we should start by letting male bodies into female spaces and magicaly all their pre-existing male socialisation goes away and there will be no problems.